as an licensed agent do i have to join the realtors association of mass where i live in order to work in real

Asked by Dianne, springfield mass Fri Mar 14, 2008

As a licensed agent and working in a real estate office do i have to join the realtors association of mass where i live. It just does not seem like they do very much for you and the cost is down right to expensive. I love my job and have been doing well for the first year dispite the market but i also want to do the right thing i did not know it was a law that you had to join is it?

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Teamaguirre, , Mass City, MI
Tue Mar 27, 2012
Hi Dianne,
I first want to apologize for the rudeness of some of the Realtors posting here. As you can see paying the NAR dues does not make you a better person or magically a better salesperson for your clients.

The truth is that you need to explore the benefits and decide for yourself if it is worth the investment. Because that's what it is, and investment in your business. If it makes sense then go for it.

By the way, being able to use the word REALTOR does mean much in the real world. Neither does having a bunch of acronyms behind your name. Your clients have to be able to trust you. That's it. You can have a million letters following your name, but if a client doesn't trust you, then they are all worthless.

We belong to the associations locally and nationally because of the information we get. Because of the added services we get like Zipforms or discounts on other services.

Like I mentioned, don't give in to peer pressure. It is a business decision. Many people are like sheep and just do so just because.... those are the people who fall out of the business because they over spent.

I commend you for asking the questions before spending the money. Good luck!
13 votes
Thank you. I am a brand new broker; I was required to join a Realtor association by my MB and it drove my credit card debt over the roof and me out of the business. I now wish I'd known this before signing on.
Flag Mon Jul 31, 2017
Love this answer, thank you! Brand new agent.
Flag Tue Apr 4, 2017
Thank you Teamaguirre! What thoughtful and productive response.
Flag Mon Jan 5, 2015
Great information. Thank you for not posting a senseless response.
Flag Thu Dec 12, 2013
Hflores.211, Home Buyer, Martinez, CA
Fri Feb 17, 2017
The world is changing whether we like it or not. Sometime in the near future CAR/NAR, your local association boar, and MLS will be a thing of the past. They just monopolize agents for their money. They are thieves in my eyes. They are ridiculously expensive, and the consumer doesn't care about the word "REALTOR," I promise you that. They just care if they got a good deal. Here in California you don't have to join NAR, CAR, or your local association board. Why join MLS, when you have TRULIA, ZILLOW, etc. They are actually a better tool. The hurdle is the forms, and I have a problem with the way they monopolize the forms too. These greety people are just disgusting to me!
5 votes
Where do you get your forms? I am in NC and need a Listing Agreement Form that is independent of the Realtor Board. Thank You.
Flag Wed Nov 15, 2017
Unfortunately, Zillow thought the way to improve was through requiring MLS participation. Now you do have to join a board to list on Zillow/Trulia etc... HUGE MISTAKE ZILLOW/TRULIA. That was not the problem! I agree, a huge monopoly. Should be considered an anti-trust crime. I hope lawsuits follow frankly.
Flag Mon Nov 6, 2017
Further, it is foolish to think Zillow Group is serving you, the consumer, well. What you don't realize is that you're seeing the listings by *whoever pays the most*--they have completely monetized advertising with their non-sense "Premier Agent" -- so rather than getting the listing agent who knows the most about the property, you are put in touch (randomly) with whomever PAYS THE MOST to put their name at the top of the list! Complete anti-competitive, anti-consumer practices, it's strictly about whoever they can extort the most money from. Worse, do you realize you are only seeing the listings Zillow Group WANTS you to see? The most important function of an MLS is that ALL brokerages must list and cobroke. Instead, you are only seeing listings agents PAY to put on Zillow Group. Try looking at a Zestimate (a joke)! Do you think that's what your home is really worth? SCARY SCARY STUFF!!!!
Flag Wed Nov 1, 2017
Your statement "Why join MLS, when you have TRULIA, ZILLOW, etc." is spoken as someone who doesn't understand the critical importance of a centralized MLS and industry oversight in the real estate business. Zillow Group -- who now owns StreetEasy, Zillow, Trulia, HotPads and Naked Apts -- cares about one thing only: PROFIT. In cities like NYC lacking an MLS, they have swooped in and gained total market control. Now they are trying to sell consumer and agents' own data back to them at prices of $5,000-10,000/mo to market their own listings. They now have a COMPLETE monopoly. This is DANGEROUS stuff, people.... Imagine if there was 1 store you had to buy everything from, and they set the prices? This is what Zillow Group is. Foolish consumers (and agents) have been duped into giving them all THEIR data and listings...now they are running an extortion operation to let the public use it. An MLS plays an important and critical role preventing this type of abuse.
Flag Wed Nov 1, 2017
true. Everyone thinks Realtor, Agent and Broker are just interchangeable words. In fact, the Justice Department has a real big issue with the NAR's attempts to stifle agents activities in local areas with their MLS monopoly.
Flag Fri Jun 9, 2017
Based on my talk with some brokers I have been told to join NAR, CAR and local MLS to work with them. Is this true...how do you do it?
Flag Mon Apr 24, 2017
The thing is that now you cannot as an agent key in the listing it has to be via mls or broker so zillow and trulia are not for agents, they are for the big shots
Flag Sun Feb 26, 2017
James Brennan, Agent, Koloa, HI
Sat Feb 27, 2016
Join the Club !!! The Board of Realtors is a concept that is NO longer needed. They offer nothing one can't do on their own. Their claim seems to be they offer Continuing Education but you can go online and find classes for half the price. Being forced to join these organizations is unconstitutional. A person should be able to decide what they want to join. The cost of doing business as a Realtor is a JOKE.
With so many Web-sites now available a person can get on the MLS for $250.00 for 6 months and not give up a selling commission. Check out FIZBER ....Realtors are becoming a thing of past.
4 votes
James where do you get your Listing Agreement Forms? I cannot find any that are not put out by the Biard if Realtors. I am in North Carolina. Thank You.
Flag Wed Nov 15, 2017
I am a broker/owner of my own company. I had taken some time off, now Zillow changes when I finally want to use them sans MLS. Ugh! How can we market now without the MLS AND make my clients secure? I've always been a fighter and hate the anti-trust monopoly going on here.
Flag Mon Nov 6, 2017
Lots of complaints on FIZBER
Flag Wed Aug 23, 2017
Margiebqrealtor -- I have been licenses for almost 30 years. I quit the board years ago. They took my money, and delivered nothing in return. I have easily saved $20,000 in fees. Perhaps I mess an occasional listing, but then doubt it has been $20,000 worth. P.S. I've never ever been sued or threatened with a suit. It's just not that difficult to stay out of trouble. Long before we had agency disclosure laws, I would just look at a prospective buyer and tell him that "I'm working for the seller, and my job is to get the best price I can." Actually got both sides of countless sales that way. People don't mind when you tell them the truth up front. It's the weasels that get sued. Consumers buy from the sign in the yard or the post on the website. MLS really isn't that big a deal. Nice to have I suppose, but I'm not dropping $1000+ a year to have it. And when business is slow (like 2009), my overhead doesn't eat me alive.
Flag Tue Dec 20, 2016
Yes, slowly but surely, straight to the consumer will be the way it is. The "realtors" pushed hard for the buyer's agent concept, and all the listing agent does these days is stick the sign in the yard and put the listing up on the MLS, and then sit back and let another agent bring in a customer and sell it. Most consumers can stick a sign in the yard and post pictures on the web.
Flag Tue Dec 20, 2016
Can't you become your own QB and work without the Board or MLS? Nobody is forcing you. It's your choice if you want to work for a Brokerage that requires membership. FYI, Your Board has Rules and Regulations and NAR/ Code of Ethics and Standards of Practice. With litigation being what it is these days can you blame QB's for wanting everything uniform and everyone working by the same rules? If you think the dues are expensive wit till you get sued! Nobody has mentioned that our forms are written and rewritten constantly by attorneys to protect us and our clients. Our MLS rules and regulations protect us as well from poorly informed, lazy and less than honest Brokers. It gives me access to Mediation and Arbitration if needed. I have always felt my membership has made me a better and more successful REALTOR.

Margie Parnell
Assoc. Broker
Albuquerque NM
Flag Wed Oct 12, 2016
Can't you become your own QB and work without the Board or MLS? Nobody is forcing you. It's your choice if you want to work for a Brokerage that requires membership. FYI, Your Board has Rules and Regulations and NAR/ Code of Ethics and Standards of Practice. With litigation being what it is these days can you blame QB's for wanting everything uniform and everyone working by the same rules? If you think the dues are expensive wit till you get sued! Nobody has mentioned that our forms are written and rewritten constantly by attorneys to protect us and our clients. Our MLS rules and regulations protect us as well from poorly informed, lazy and less than honest Brokers. It gives me access to Mediation and Arbitration if needed. I have always felt my membership has made me a better and more successful REALTOR.

Margie Parnell
Assoc. Broker
Albuquerque NM
Flag Wed Oct 12, 2016
Can't you become your own QB and work without the Board or MLS? Nobody is forcing you. It's your choice if you want to work for a Brokerage that requires membership. FYI, Your Board has Rules and Regulations and NAR/ Code of Ethics and Standards of Practice. With litigation being what it is these days can you blame QB's for wanting everything uniform and everyone working by the same rules? If you think the dues are expensive wit till you get sued! Nobody has mentioned that our forms are written and rewritten constantly by attorneys to protect us and our clients. Our MLS rules and regulations protect us as well from poorly informed, lazy and less than honest Brokers. It gives me access to Mediation and Arbitration if needed. I have always felt my membership has made me a better and more successful REALTOR.

Margie Parnell
Assoc. Broker
Albuquerque NM
Flag Wed Oct 12, 2016
David Welch, , Roseville - West Placer County
Fri Mar 14, 2008
I AGREE!!! It seems like a crock, huh? You work so hard to become a licensed individual only to find out that it wasn't good enough, and you have to spend tons of money to be restricted to listing homes in your local area and paying exorbitant fees to be restricted to your local area. Thankfully, I belong to a great association with good technology, and though they are high, the fees are providing me with a great service...
What you may want to do is rebel... You can now list without listing... It is harder, but you can do it... All on Trulia, and several other sites like zillow - or even craigslist. It is worth a shot, you will likely need a lock box that can be accessed by the buyers agents. Another hurdle is that most agents are so dependent on MLS to know what is out there. They may totally skip over your listing, but the ray of sunshine is that buyers are now more savvy than ever before... Often they find the listing they want before we do, and that normally comes from an internet search... So... I dare you to try! Be the rebel and succeed! And tell me when you do! You see, I joined Connect Realty because they are backed by technology giants, and I am hoping that they will eventually (hopefully soon) provide an adequate alternative to local MLS... I want to go global, dang it!
Wouldn't that be nice!
I'd love to brainstorm with you... let me know how it goes!
4 votes
Would be good to begin a national mls without being part of a board or even having the broker be member. Agents work so hard to get little money but dish out so much to be in the business.
Flag Sun Feb 26, 2017
Francisco Ga…, Agent, Scottsdale, AZ
Thu Nov 27, 2014
I see some of these answers from 2008 and the complaints some of you say that the agents just don't get. What has changed? Realtor, Trulia and Zillow are making a killing with the help of NAR and all in all the agent still loses out
3 votes
Pam Bava, Agent, Rochester, MI
Sat Feb 23, 2013
You have gotten some interesting answers. My question is... if you have not joined the board how can you make the statement. "It just does not seem like they do very much for you and the cost is down right to expensive". If you love selling real estate, (I don't consider it a job) I suggest you research your board a little more before making a determination. I think you will change your mind especially since this is your own business. You may determine it will help in becoming successful.

Good luck
3 votes
I googled, "can I a real estate agent sell real estate in California without CAR?" and found this thread. The point here is not how great CAR, NAR, MLS are, but the fact that there is a complete monopoly on the exchange of one of the biggest businesses in the United States - real property - and this makes it very difficult to avoid the 4-6% agent fees if I want to sell property.
Flag Thu Sep 8, 2016
Louis Wolfs…, Agent, Needham, MA
Tue Mar 27, 2012
Simple answer - most if not all Real Estate Companies in MA require you to. Without joining you can not be a member of the local MLS
3 votes
Themalibulife, Home Buyer, Mass City, MI
Sun Jun 5, 2016
As for the Los Angeles, CA area, anybody can be a MLS member without joining the local board, CAR or NAR. The fee for MLS service alone is about $200 every 6 months. This way you have full MLS access and you can post listings at no additional charge. The downside is you don't get the zip forms to list properties, sell or lease a property. The only way to get the zip forms is to join CAR, which requires you to join your local board and NAR at the same time. When you do that on top of the MLS service fees, it's almost $1000 for the year. That's a lot of money for anybody in this business.

I wish I could pick which memberships I would want to join and not be required to join all of them. I would have MLS service and CAR membership. It would be the cheapest and best solution...for me. We should have the right to choose instead of being forced to purchase local board, CAR and NAR memberships.

The weirdest thing about all this, is the Bureau of Real Estate in California is the licensing board for all agents in the state. They deal with agent violations, licensing, renewals, etc... and all they charge is $250 - $350 every 4 years. They don't charge us crazy annual fees like CAR and NAR do. In my 20+ years in the business, I have never needed anything from NAR, which is a big waste of money.
2 votes
So if you only pay for your local MLS and not CAR and NAR, how do you get access to those forms? I'm struggling right now since I recently got my license and already see how those services might have some benefits but the prices are ridiculous.
Flag Mon Apr 24, 2017
This is true. Being forced to join CAR & NAR is BS. I don't need or want the MLS, I'm a commercial agent and I never use it. I use different forms for contracts. But I'm being forced to join because my company is primarily residential. Just wasted money. I totally agree with Themalibulife.
Flag Fri Aug 12, 2016
Annette Law…, Agent, Palm Harbor, FL
Thu Aug 15, 2013
This question was posted March 14, 2008.
I am confident Dianne has resolved this issue.
1 vote
lol
Flag Sat Oct 5, 2013
haroldlouche, Home Buyer, Bellflower, CA
Fri Jun 21, 2013
Harold in Los Angeles,
Like most unions and boards who propose to look out for your interest they get fat off of your dollar and then make you dependent on them and they finally control how you make a living. The NAR and the local MLS is playing this game with us. New technology and a new way of doing business is out there and I will find it. The AOR sell/give our listing info to Zillow and the like and then they sell ad space to our competing agents who then benefit from the info that I generated when a potential buyer shop these real estate providers(Zillow, Realtor.com, etc.). Realtors act like zombies and are very unorganized, these boards do what they want to do and are never challenged. Their budgets increase yet their value to us stays the same. They have a fine for this and a fine for that.

And you agents that are always quick to say that this is just a cost of doing business you make me sick. You have no fight and just wrong.
It is my understanding that an agent does not have an obligation to join a board in order to do business in our State and that is free enterprise.
1 vote
YOU ARE 100% RIGHT !
Flag Sun Feb 26, 2017
The MD MLS charges more for non- Realtors, about $300 more per year, but that is half the $600 the NAR wants to do nothing for me
Flag Fri Aug 28, 2015
I am actually about to challenge their authority in AZ. Being told I have to join a trade organization to work for any broker of my choosing is actually illegal under Article 25 of the AZ constitution. Any other Agents in AZ are welcome to join my fight for the right to work without being forced into a Trade Organization.
Flag Sat Oct 11, 2014
Connie Fitzg…, Agent, Lexington Park, MD
Fri Feb 22, 2013
I agree with Louis, if you want to be active and continue to be successful, you should still be a member of NAR so that you can access the MLS for the best service to your clients.
1 vote
Ammarzocca, Home Buyer, Saint Peters, MO
Sun Dec 10, 2017
similar question-do agents have to join their local/county real estate board? I am new with an agency and they keep sending me emails about joining.
0 votes
I'm a retired realtor and the answer is technically, no you don't have to join. The issue is as a licensed realtor, you are self employed and running a business. To be successful and earn a living in any self employed business, the owner (you) needs to have a business plan on what tools you will use, what strategies you will use and how you will be paid. Joining your local real estate board is a tool that leads to a commission check. Without joining, ask yourself if you can be successful or if you need it.
Flag Sun Dec 10, 2017
Ryan Huggins, Agent, Thousand Oaks, CA
Sat Nov 11, 2017
Dianne, no you do not. NAR has done away with the rule requiring that, however you can only join one where your Broker is a member.

Sadly, for many (if not all) residential agents NAR membership is required by the local associations. Out here commercial agents do not belong to the association, so they are not bound by that rule. I disagree with the agent who said the term "realtor" has value to the public. In 30+ years of being around this industry I have NEVER met anyone who knew that realtor was a trademarked word, that the NAR exists and that realtor means someone who is an NAR member and agreed to their code of ethics. Everyone I've talked to believes it means "someone who sells homes and commercial buildings."

If you can find a way around joining, I recommend it and please let me know as I'd LOVE to leave NAR in the dust.
0 votes
there is a someone in florida, he has something call Active Florida Realty LLC, in his website he clarifies that he works with out MLS in a legal way, maybe he figured something out, I just started so am most confuse than wanting to be a rebel, yet I don't get why do I have the obligation to join this 3 specific associations and so expensive in other to work, it seems like a monopoly going but for now I just want to star my career.
Flag Tue Nov 21, 2017
Keysha, Home Buyer, Charlotte, NC
Thu Nov 2, 2017
I felt like I didn't have a choice. Without the association, it was hard to conduct business. I had difficulty scheduling showings, obtaining real estate forms. You name it, it was a problem. I was surprised when I got my NC license, how hard doing business was without joining the association. The didn't provide the tools to function without the association. They say it is two separate entities but it doesn't feel that way. I have a non-realtor associated with me that has to pay a non-realtor fee of $435 but received nothing for her money. I felt forced to join. The fees are just astronomical but I didn't feel I had a choice if I wanted to be successful in the business.
0 votes
gbaliga, Agent, Woodbridge Township, NJ
Sun Jan 22, 2017
In NJ you have to have a NAR # in order to renew your NJ real estate license.
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Conolos, Home Buyer, Framingham, MA
Thu Jul 14, 2016
I have the same desire to not be associated with the board of realtors.

Does anyone know of a brokerage in Massachusetts that isn't associated with the board of realtors?
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Dorene Slavi…, Agent, Torrance, CA
Mon Dec 1, 2014
It's not mandatory to join the associations and when you first start, there are so many expenses you may not be able to spend more. In my area you must be a member of at least one local association in order to access the MLS so you might consider doing that. You really cannot do without access to the MLS as a working Realtor.
Once you have been trained and are producing, you can then think about what else you want and need to be the best you can be as a Professional Realtor.
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Jeremy Weinb…, Agent, Longwood, FL
Tue Oct 1, 2013
I am not in MA but a Broker in FL so I can't say for sure but am pretty sure it is very similar all over the U.S. As a Broker in Florida, if I have an agent who is not a part of the board then they will send us a fine. We are only allowed to have agents who are active NAR members. Any brokerage who wants to have any success in residential real estate will need to be a NAR member.

The Board has regulated our industry so much that there is no way around joining the Board or the MLS if you want to work with buyers and sellers. With technology now, the Board and the MLS are able to put a stop to non-members. Electronic keys and electronic lock boxes on homes make it so each Realtor is assigned an electronic key to get into homes that only Realtors have access. Mostly all of the listings in the MLS have a section that says they pay non-Realtors 0% to maybe a 1% commission, they will require your MLS code at closing to confirm. Also each MLS system is tracked by your IP address, if the MLS sees additional users, they will find out why.

A real estate referral company is a great option for those who have a Real Estate license but are not able to sell full-time. Take a look at http://www.ParkPlaceNetwork.com at a company that pays back top dollar on referrals.
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Morgan -- here in KY you have to be a board member to get access to the MLS.
Flag Tue Dec 20, 2016
I understand your statement. Better be very careful that the anti-trust folks don't get a hold of you. Are your consumers willfully and with full knowledge signing off on effectively blocking a licensed and competent group of agents simply because they aren't union members? That reeks of collusion, racketeering, and under current perverted ways of thinking, discrimination (if the guy identifies as a realtor, can you claim he isn't one and deny him access?).
Flag Tue Dec 20, 2016
This is completely untrue. The MLS and the Board of Realtors operate SEPARATELY. Sometimes they may even be housed in the same office. But they are still two separate entities. If the broker is a member of the board of realtors, ALL agents must be board members. If the broker is not a member of the board and only a member of the MLS, agents are not required to be board members. You don't need to be a member of the board of realtors to get MLS access.
Flag Wed Jul 8, 2015
Zachary Hines, Agent, Wautoma, WI
Thu Aug 15, 2013
My question is this! What is it that makes you able to list, sell, and show properties. I am in the state of Wisconsin and I just recently got my license. I was told that if don't join the WRA and NRA I would not be able to do the work of a realtor? Why is this! Are there companies out there that would allow me to do so.
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John Souerbry, Agent, Fairfield, CA
Sat Feb 23, 2013
Good answer by Louis - your employing broker has the right to require NAR membership per your contractor agreement. I can't speak for every local association, but we belong to several and they all require per association rules that if I as a broker am a member, all licensees who work for me must be members. If an individual agent seeks to join the association, that agent's broker must be a member. I stick by my earlier response that there are a growing number of "non-association" brokerages in our area that are not NAR members and don't require it. Thereby, per association rules, individual agents can't join.
My business requires licensees to be NAR members. That's why I'm a REALTOR(R), never a realtor.
0 votes
Where do non-NAR get those C.A.R forms for purchasing agreement? Please advise. I just get my broker's license in CA. Just help my relative to finish one purchasing transaction. I want to know where can I get the form such as "california residential purchase agreement and joint escrow instructions". Please advise ASAP. Thanks a lot.
Flag Wed Apr 24, 2013
John Souerbry, Agent, Fairfield, CA
Fri Feb 22, 2013
A growing number of agents in my area (Northern California) are dropping out of NAR because the local MLS systems all syndicate the local listings on Realtor.com, Trulia, etc. As one non-NAR agent told me, "you suckers are paying NAR and MLS fees while I get the same information for free!"
Our state licensing agency does not require NAR membership to practice real estate.
Non-NAR agents are obviously not getting ALL the information and services they would have if they joined the local NAR association, but there is a bigger point to consider. Everywhere I look, I see agents - including NAR members - using the term "realtor" in reference to any licensed agent. I see it here on Trulia all the time. I try to remember to type "REALTOR(R)" every time I refer to a NAR agent, including myself, as a way of supporting NAR's trademark and to differentiate myself from non-NAR agents. I even call out non-NAR agents on this point and suggest that they stop calling themselves "realtors." But it's like spitting into the wind when other NAR agents don't support proper use of the mark, too.
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Where do non-NAR get those C.A.R forms for purchasing agreement? Please advise. I just get my broker's license in CA. Just help my relative to finish one purchasing transaction. I want to know where can I get the form such as "california residential purchase agreement and joint escrow instructions". Please advise ASAP. Thanks a lot.
Flag Wed Apr 24, 2013
Charles Rori…, Agent, Grants Pass, OR
Thu Feb 21, 2013
Dianne,

I am not sure what your local Realtors association requirements are, but generally the following apply:
1- To be able to call yourself a Realtor, you must be a member of the National Association of Realtors. If you are not a member of the National Association of Realtors, you are a licensed agent, but not a Realtor. Joining the National Association of Realtors is accomplished by being a member of your local Realtor's Association, which also makes you a member of your state's association.

2- All agents in a member real estate office have to be members themselves.

If you have questions about this, contact the NAR directly or your local association. They will gladly provide you with the pertinent information.

Hopefully this answers your question.
0 votes
Can't you pay $250 and be a member of nra and skip state and local affiliations? In Maryland they call them non-shareholder REALTORS and have to pay an extra $100 for MLS. While Realtors are meant to be more ethical, I do not find that to be so.
Flag Sat Feb 25, 2017
Aaron Badia, , Wheeling, WV
Thu Feb 21, 2013
I am wondering the same thing about West Virginia ? Except my dues are $1,119.34 total cost.
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Annette Law…, Agent, Palm Harbor, FL
Tue Mar 27, 2012
Dianne, that is a great question and merits a probing question. What is the intent of the phrase "Work in Real Estate."

Many believe it means helping buyers find and purchase a home and helping homeowners sell their home. If that embraces the meaning of 'Work In Real Estate' you will find being a member of the local association invaluable. There are REAL benefits in membership. If this is your intent in your real estate career, to assist in the buying and selling of residential real estate, the advise of some will handicap you to such an extent you should start looking for a day job.

You will find, however, there is no business on the face of the earth like real estate. You would be well advised to spend some time chatting with a few experts to explore the breadth and depth of the real estate business so you have a better idea how to nurture and grow your vision of your real estate business.

Yes, you can go it alone, but you truly need to know what your business model looks like. Going it alone means exactly that, getting your brokers license and not joining a brokerage. Or better still, catching the vision of what 'Working in Real Estate' really means for those who are really making money.

So, make a decision, stop grumbling, and pursue your dream.
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"I love my job and have been doing well for the first year dispite the market ".
I don't see this as grumbling. To be clear you state there are, "REAL benefits", yet you fail to provide anything to substantiate your claim.
It would appear that you are talking just to be heard, much the same way that a whining child does.
Flag Mon Oct 28, 2013
Mike Kelly A…, Agent, Santa Rosa, CA
Sun Mar 16, 2008
Dianne,
You have not told us what is "down right expensive"? $300.00? $500.00? I paid for our local/state Realtor dues $275.00 plus I paid an optional $197.00 for Legislative Support. You're a lot like the clients you allege to serve--totally ignorant as to why YOU get paid the fees you do! I pay my dues plus my CRS national dues, my CIPS national dues, my SRES national dues, my CCIM national dues and the reason I pay these is it is the cost of doing business! I do it because it pays such huge dividends to me that the cost is dirt cheap! It gives me an edge many other Realtors/Licensees will never have plus the referrals received more than pay the dues many times over.
If you do not know the value of being a REALTOR then your broker is NOT doing his fiduciary duty to you as his agent. In the past 7 years our industry has come under an onslaught from alternative business models which the young Mr. Welch sees as his salvation. Mr. Welch for some reason doesn't understand he CAN go globally!! But WHY re-invent the model when it already exists, protects the very way we do business and CAN do business and benefits thousands of our brethren?
In our state of California, we turn back hundreds if not thousands of "point of sale" issues where you the REALTOR would be THE responsible party for the fulfilling of the latest political cause. YOUR license would be on the line. You would be responsible for new, restrictive energy standards , sewer line inspection, wood insert removed in your fireplace, or having a complete building code survey done, and the list goes on! All at the expense of your homeowner and all your responsibility! We have turned these back for years. And on the national level, who do you think is fighting the department of justice who would love to FIX our fees, open our private, dues MLS systems to every FSBO, and open the door to complete anarchy in the marketing of our listings? This is done by dues paying REALTORS!! We be them!
The nihilism of Mr. Welch is misplaced as he need only search the internet for the wide, wild, wonderful world of real estate and the global village he so desires. NO ONE, especially REALTORS, would limit his growth. Rebelling for fun and profit is encouraged but contempt prior to investigation is folly.
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Where do non-NAR get those C.A.R forms for purchasing agreement? Please advise. I just get my broker's license in CA. Just help my relative to finish one purchasing transaction. I want to know where can I get the form such as "california residential purchase agreement and joint escrow instructions". Please advise ASAP. Thanks a lot.
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Scott A. Nel…, , 02155
Sun Mar 16, 2008
Dianne, as I understand it if your office is associated with the local & national Realtors groups and advertises as such the Realtor organizations require all agents/brokers of the office to be Realtors to use their trademark in advertising.
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Pam Winterba…, Agent, Danville, VA
Sun Mar 16, 2008
Dianne...

In our area if the broker is a member of the Association, National, State or Local then each associate must also join.
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Where do non-NAR get those C.A.R forms for purchasing agreement? Please advise. I just get my broker's license in CA. Just help my relative to finish one purchasing transaction. I want to know where can I get the form such as "california residential purchase agreement and joint escrow instructions". Please advise ASAP. Thanks a lot.
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smith3gary, Agent, White Lake, MI
Fri Mar 14, 2008
Dianne,

To my knowledge, real estate salespersons in Michigan must be licensed under a Broker. That does not mean they have to be a Realtor(R) unless required by either the Broker or the MLS.

If your broker requires you to join NAR, and you do not see a benefit, then you should interview with other brokers in Michigan and Wisconsin. I saw lots of adds from Wisconsin along 26 and 45 last summer. The company mentioned by David might even be a choice. Today's agents can be completely paperless and if you read your license, I believe it indicates State of Michigan same as mine.

If you do not want to be a Realtor(R) and pay those dues, that may be your choice. I do agree with David those professionals that only use Realtor.com and the MLS to advertise their listings are becoming the minority. There are many Vertical Search Engines that provide more effective marketing of an agent and their listings than the old standbys.

In David's MLS, both Realtors(R) and agents can belong. In mine, everyone has to be a Realtor(R) which is part of the reason the two have not combined into a huge MLS. (apparently an ego problem on both sides LOL)

If you are not already a member, I suggest you join The Active Rain Real Estate Network http://activerain.com its free just like Trulia.
Web Reference:  http://www.mi-living.com
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Melinda J. R…, Agent, Grand Rapids, MI
Fri Mar 14, 2008
Dianne, I am not sure on your question. However, my question to you is if you are not part of the association how would you be able to use the Multiple Listing Service to put your listings on etc.? I think in our board you have to be a memeber to use that. I wouldn't not be a member, but I suppose that is your choice. Not sure how the public would feel if they knew you were not a member either. They may not feel you are the same quality as a an agent that is a member. Something to think about anyway.

If you are doing well anyway, it shouldn't matter. Just pay it and take the right off:)

I hope this helps! Best Wishes!
Web Reference:  http://www.gomelinda.com/
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"""""" Not sure how the public would feel if they knew you were not a member either. They may not feel you are the same quality as a an agent that is a member. """"""
Writing a check to pay ass. fees doesn't prove "quality" in any way since basically it's a win win for an ass. to take the money and later kick someone out if there is a problem later. They got their money and the "bad" realtor got booted out of an association he may never wanted to join. The app fee for an ass. cost more than getting the license itself.
""""""Just pay it and take the right off:) """.......write off?
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