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Patrick Jack…, Real Estate Pro in McKinney, TX

Looking for an agent to refer to. Don't respond unless you are experienced with pre 1980 adobe construction in Catalina Foothills.

Asked by Patrick Jackson, McKinney, TX Tue Aug 3, 2010

This will be a "challenging" client. He is very specfic to the area, view, type of home, and type of construction he wants. If you are an agent who does what the client asks, even when the client is wrong, and then goes the extra mile or two to find the house that the client will really love, then you might have a chance to succed with this client. If you are a facilitator, please respond. If you are a sales person, don't bother. 30% referral fee on $500,000 to $600,000 purchase price. Respond with web link and testimonials link that support the agent described above. Anthing that tells me you understand how homes are built and not just how to sell them is also a factor. I have a feeling the patience of Job might also be a good trait to exhibit. Minimum 4-5 years real estate experience required. Post your repy here. Don't call me. I'll call you.

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August 8, 2010
One more response! Actually a follow-up to my original response (which was 1st response). I would like to add to all of the good information that you received on adobe houses. If your buyer is looking for mud adobe construction (in specified price range), we are looking at only approximately 15 homes in Tucson Metro area (none in zip code 85718). If the buyer wants an “original” (old) building, we are looking at around four to 5 properties. To illustrate of what I am talking about go to website click on MLS self-search, click on find home by MLS number, enter number 21023000 and click on search now. By the way, this is not my listing, I work mostly with buyers. And I would be glad to work with you and your buyer.
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Adobe lasts for centuries if properly maintained. There are standing mud adobe homes along the Santa Cruz that were built in the 18th Century. Is your client primarily looking at true adobe? Most Foothills homes are slump block adobe or burnt adobe. These are very different. Slump block homes (like mine in the Foothills) are more easily maintained because concrete is mixed into the adobe. Burnt adobe is generally kiln made. Both of these adobes have more of a brick/block appearance.

True adobe is usually a mixture of mud, straw and other "found" materials. Mud adobe must be properly sealed and maintained. The structural integrity is easily compromised by moisture. The common culprit is the roof- where the adobe and roof meet at the adobe "cap". If water gets behind the seal it eventually may destroy the adobe. Often this is evidenced by a slight bulging along the lower part of the wall. It is difficult to determine whether the adobe has been compromised. I strongly encourage your client to have inspections and if there is any suspicion of compromised/deteriorated adobe to have a structural examination.

Realistically there are very few mud adobe homes in the Foothills. Most were built in the 40's or earlier and have had add-ons etc. There are many slump block and burnt adobe properties but these are not "true" adobe. Your client may be thinking of stuccoed masonry using these materials too.

Please go to my website or have your client look at me there: I am the top agent at Prudential here in Tucson. I don't post testimonials but have a file of letters (mostly pretty old) and 100's satisfied clients. "Ever the Heart of Realty" is more than a tagline... I am patient and enjoy working with clients like the person you describe. In fact I have a reputation here at Prudential for attracting "challenging" clients. I have been licensed with Prudential since 1998 and average $8,000,000-$10,000,000 in annual sales- I'm no slouch! I have three buyer's agents on the "Ever the Heart of Realty" Team - your client will be served properly!

John Everhart
Associate Broker-MBA
Prudential Foothills Real Estate

Good Luck!
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Hi Patrick,
We live in a 1964 adobe home and have sold many adobe homes for Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage in Tucson in all price ranges.
I have published blog posts on Adobe homes in Tucson.
We also live and work in the Catalna foothills and have been real estate agents for 8 years here.
We are familair with both old and also new adobe construction and have worked with more than one builder in the process.
We also sell many homes in the upper end price bracket and are Coldwell Banker's top agent team in the area.
Feel free to contact us with any further questions.

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0 votes Thank Flag Link Fri Aug 6, 2010
Reading through all the answers to your question, it is amazing how many times the word "I" appears. Call me. Your client will be happy working with me. Google me, you'll see.

BTW, who are we to decide if the client is "wrong"? Right or wrong is for the client to decide. Our responsibility is to provide our clients with all of the relevant information so they can decide what is right - or wrong - for themselves.

0 votes Thank Flag Link Fri Aug 6, 2010
Hello Patrick:

My name is Clave Lilien. I have over 30 years experience selling Tucson Real Estate…everything from Tucson Luxury Homes in the Catalina Foothills to having the listings for several new home subdivisions, hiring site agents, coordinating with the developer, construction supervisor and the buyer. I have also sold and closed large apartment complexes, office buildings and negotiated JVs involving land owners and community developers. If you are interested I can give you several specific examples.

I am a Broker Associate with Long Realty (Campbell/River office), an Accredited Buyer’s Representative (ABR) and a member of REBAC which means I have additional training and experience working for Buyers.

(1) Tucson Metropolitan Chamber of Commerce See:
(2) Just this week I was appointed by the Pima County Board of Supervisors to be a member of the Pima County Development Services Design Review Committee – to be sworn in next week. I am particularly excited about this position because I will be able to give something back to the community and help shape Tucson’s future. Here is a link to the DRC: (click on Design Review Committee in center of page).

I always put my clients first and listen to find out as much as I can about the clients interests before making any recommendations. I can also set up a special Portal for the client with their own password designed specifically for them that will be constantly updated daily by MLS to find any and all new listings that meet their criteria.

Here is a link to my website:

As you can see I offer my clients a free gift of airline miles (I have an exclusive agreement). In this case however with a 30% referral fee which is steep (I typically pay 20%) I will pay you the 30% for a good Client but I cannot afford to offer them the gift.

My website is also set up for relocation with hundreds of links to Tucson attractions, government & community information and a one Click search of the Catalina Foothills by subdivision and price range. Note: My blog is not active yet (Website is constant work in progress - and will be up in a week or two).

ON ADOBE: I do not know if anyone else mentioned there are 2 types of adobe bricks. I would recommend they look for a burned Adobe home because heating stabilizes the adobe and it requires a lot less maintenance. Mud adobe needs to be sealed on a regular basis otherwise it could “dissolve” under heavy rain and when it rains here in Tucson it comes down hard. I would not insist on anything just give your clients the facts so they can make an educated decision.

I also have good relationships with lenders (should they require a loan), title companies, inspectors to make the transaction flow smoothly.

BTW: I took a look at your website - very informative and as Keller Williams is probably the dominant and most respected real estate company in McKinney, Long Realty owned by Home Services is very respected and a leader in Tucson and Southern Arizona. See:

Please feel free to call me on my mobile if you would like to talk 520-444-5700.

Kind regards,
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I am the owner/ broker of Wildcat Realty here in sunny Tucson. I have lived in the Catalina Foothills area since 1981 and I currently own a 1978 fix up in the foothills. I am learning firsthand about the challenges that these properties can present you. My philosophy when dealing with a client is to always let them make the final decision. Although I may offer my opinion on such items as price and repair demands, my client will always be the one to have the final say. Being the owner and broker of my own company gives me the flexibility to tailor every client’s experience to their individual needs. For example, I can use as much or as little technology as they want. My buyers this year have ranged in age from 24 to 68; needless to say, I am used to dealing with all types of people. I treat all my clients like gold and I would love the opportunity to do the same for this gentleman.

Thank you for the opportunity,

(520) 312-8032
0 votes Thank Flag Link Thu Aug 5, 2010

I would like to recommend that you speak to Susan Denis at Habitation Realty. She specializes in older homes in the area you requested and has been in real estate several years (8+). She is one of the best agents I know and is an expert at dealing with quirky clients. She does have a full plate because she is so good, but she will tell you up front whether she can work with your client.

Good luck, Patrick.

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0 votes Thank Flag Link Thu Aug 5, 2010
Hello Patrick

I own a historic 1958 adobe in historic Colonia Solana here in Tucson, AZ. Please click on my profile to read testimonials. I have experience as buyers agent in Foothills area as well. I have 3 years experience but as a 3rd generation Realtor I have been around real estate my entire life.

I would like to work with you and your client, best of luck.

Spirit Messingham
Tierra Antigua Realty
(520) 471-6900
0 votes Thank Flag Link Thu Aug 5, 2010

I grew up in the Catalina Foothills in a Joessler home. I have been an agent for 23years, and specialize in challenging clients. My expertise is in relocation and I hold a CRP thru the Employee Relocation Council. I also lived in San Antonio for 4 years and worked as an out-source company who relocated employees for HEB...I was the problem solver who got the chef's from France who were mad because their cookware was dented etc.. I can give you a few of more challenging clients to speak with directly. Also, I recently built a home from scatch thru designing with an architect to getting it passed by the most difficult entity in Pima County. I have also done several remodels of older homes and my family owned a specialty tile shop who dealt directly with many builders and subs.You can contact me: if you think I might be a fit for your folks.
0 votes Thank Flag Link Thu Aug 5, 2010
Hi Patrick,

My name is David Winter. I am an Associate Broker with Long Realty. I live in an adobe home built in 1966, in zip code 85718. I have been a REALTOR for 9 years and have also had 25 years experience in retail management, so I understand listening and patience.

You can visit my website at

and click on the testimonials link to see what clients think of me. You can also go to my LinkedIn profile at

and view recommendations of clients and business associates there.

Thanks for the opportunity to help. By the way, I lived in Houston for 25 years, so I am also familiar with Texas and Texans.

Best regards,

David Winter
Long Realty
0 votes Thank Flag Link Thu Aug 5, 2010
Hi Patrick,
I have a 1959 burnt adobe in the Foothills update very nicely with an indoor pool and city views. This is a beautiful home priced a little higher than $600,000, but everything is negotiable, right? There are a few others but this is top dog.
I've been told by clients wives that I have the "patience of a saint".
Contact me if you would like to talk 520-665-3032, Mike Scaramella Long Realty or
0 votes Thank Flag Link Thu Aug 5, 2010
I would like to "try" your client. My experience: 16 years in Tucson area real estate, now self employed Designated Broker, former owner of sizable company - Gallagher and Associates, 70 agents. I have some idea of construction - I am former engineer (not civil engineer but engineer).
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Please don’t hesitate to email me with any questions!
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