Maverick,
I recommend you look at the responses below.....see who put the most thought and consideration into their answer(s), as well as who gave you the most insight. If you have further questions, I would direct them to that person (or persons). I hope this helps. - Wed Feb 27 2008, 15:10
It is funny how defensive agents get when you discuss their commissions. The Flat rate agents tell you they are saving you money....the full commission agents say they are saving you money. If the public wasn't confused enough already...they are now! I noticed I haven't seen hardly any super discount or flat rate brokers blogging at all. Goes to show how interested they are in knowing the real estate industry!
The assumption made below that their skills would make a seller go down another $25,000 because of repairs needed after having the home inspected is purely hypothetical.....and assuming that another agent (or the Buyer) wouldn't try to negotiate at all when there are that many repair issues is also a pretty big assumption. Alot of properties don't warrant any serious repair issues...and most that do have reflected that fact by having a lower asking price. Nevertheless, it was a very good illustration on the dangers of not having a really good Broker....but is was also a great play on numbers itself.
Let's get to the bottom line on this....everyone should agree that having a really good agent is very important. In my opinion, having a really good agent is alot less likely if they are working for a commission rebate type brokerage......or a flat fee brokerage, but not entirely impossible. Almost all of the agents I have dealt with from those types of companies didn't have much of a clue about what they do. They are typically very new to the industry...either brand new, or less than 2 or 3 years of experience.
To be clear, asking a really good full service agent to share a reasonable part of their commission should not present a problem in my opinion....as long as they are a really good agent!
I think ALL OF US AGREE on the fact, and have demonstrated the many good reasons that having a super good agent can easily save you 2 or 3 times the amount that you think you are saving by choosing an agent based on the size of the discount....or rebate.
If anyone would like more info., plese contact me at 818-481-8555
Mike Stone, Broker - Sat Feb 16 2008, 21:41
In my opinion having a good Broker is critical, and I do NOT recommend risking having a "bad" Broker and try to justify it by having an attorney review the contracts. The term "bad" could mean ignorance, inexperience, carelessness, laziness or just plain old bad intentions and only after the commission.
There are too many potentially detrimental things about a property that would never be known by simply reviewing the contracts. They could remain unknown by a Buyer, Seller, or their attorney until well after escrow closes.....because a "bad" agent doesn't find them, doesn't know what to look for, or chooses not to disclose them (because they don't want to risk losing the commission). They could be things discussed in the transaction between Buyers, Agents, Home inspectors, etc. that would not be known by the attorney simply by reviewing the contracts.
There are many so called "full service" Brokers/Agents who's knowledge and/or ethics aren't worth beans either. The Individual Broker is the key...and trying to make sure you have a really good one is my recommendation, and you could still ask them to credit you some of their commission......and you can still have an attorney review the contracts if you like . The standard purchase agreements and addendums in California have verbiage that states that it is strongly recommended you seek advise from an attorney, accountant, contractor, and/or other licensed professional regarding questions or advice in the area of expertise.
I happen to credit the Buyer (or Seller) with a good portion of my commission on most of my transactions. I'm also told by those clients that I had two or three times the knowledge and had delivered two or three times the level of service compared to what they experienced with other so called "full service" agents, plus they had a very nice credit for closing costs, and/or a good size rebate (or if it is a Seller, a discounted commission).
Of course, there are also many very good "full service" agents out there...but the point is that having a good agent is the key, and a good agent who offers you a nice piece of the pie (say 25 or 30% of their commission) is even better.
In my opinion, the "flat rate" or "discount" Brokers who are working for very little ($500-$5,000) are generally not going to have enough knowledge OR interest in your transaction for you to be well reperesented, and of course they may not know how to even if they wanted to represent you well. IF THEY CAN'T NEGOTIATE A DECENT COMMISSION FOR THEMSELVES......DO YOU REALLY WANT THEM NEGOTIATING FOR YOU??? There is much more to lose in my opinion...maybe even 20, 50, $100,000 or more because of not having a good, experienced agent.....between knowing how to negotiate price...knowing how to spot and jump on the hottest deals (the best ones come up far and few inbetween, and go into escrow within a few days)...knowing how to protect you when it comes to which home inspector they recommend....some inspectors downplay some potentially serious structural or repair needs (they are called "broker friendly" inspectors in the industry)....and then when discussing the Home inspection report with you they may minimize OR BE UNAWARE of some serious concerns....as well as many other potential pitfalls. as you can see, when you add all of this up.....you potentially have ALOT MORE to lose than a few thousand bucks. For more info., please call me at 818-481-8555 Mike Stone - Sat Feb 16 2008, 19:48