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Deborah Madey, Real Estate Pro in Red Bank, NJ

What constitutes spam? Is this spam?

Asked by Deborah Madey, Red Bank, NJ Tue Aug 21, 2007

Is it peculiar just to me, does anyone else seem to think its biased when a string of posts appear quickly in succession with the only advice to be a repetitive directive to a specific site? You can reference my post regarding this on the Q...."How are people searching for homes in your area?"

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The problem is that he created several fictional people to to ask the questions. Some of us spend some good time answering those questions and then Renau went and gave thumbs down if you didn't answer "web-that-shall-not-be-named". It makes other first time posters look suspicious now.

So is web reference a signature line?
Ruth
Web Reference: http://www.oak-park-il.com
1 vote Thank Flag Link Tue Aug 21, 2007
Ruthless, Other/Just Looking in 60558
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So wait ... is this a spammer/automated thing or is this a single person starting bogus accounts? I did see the Renau slough of emails yesterday (or was it the day before). I do think there should be a cap on accounts created per email (it is not a surefire solution, but would deter enough of those from going to all of the trouble). Thanks Deborah
4 votes Thank Flag Link Tue Aug 21, 2007
Steve Ostrom, Real Estate Pro in Roseville, CA
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Are Nina and Julia Foster spammers? I find when several old posts are revived by the same new person who is promoting a web site for answers to the questioner to be suspicious. Nina has actually improved by giving a little more related advice before directing people to the website. Is she spamming or is she being a vigilante or internet terrorist? Let's say she is just a distraught consumer trying to balance all of the "use a Realtor" advice. How is promoting a website for advice really any different than a Realtor promoting the use of Realtors?

************************ Extra stuff below, not everyone will be interested **************

Okay, enough philosophy, time for some bashing. You have got to go read the forum Nina is talking about. It makes me understand why so many Realtors are anti FBSO. The lack of language skills are the worst I have ever encountered. THESE people think they can sell their own homes? How did they even ever manage to buy a home or get a job?

Now I'll comment on the below posts:

Deborah: My detective work started last year when my husband and a friend wanted to try and buy foreclosures. Luckily, we were NOT successful in buying any. But it taught me some extremely valuable skills when it comes to buying or selling a home. Before we bought one house, I discovered the owners had LPs on two rental properties and had built a million dollar home. The husband had lost his job after the contract fell through on the house we ended up buying. Talk about negotiating leverage.

For a Mich. rental property, I didn't do any research on until after the closing and I learned the seller was also from IL. He had an IRS lien on his IL properties. Had I known this before, we would not have bought the Mich property. On the HUD balance sheet was a multi-thousand dollar water bill. When we signed up for water they told us the guy knew the system and sent $5 every month. As soon as we closed, one tenant who had lived there for six years supposedly paying rent stopped paying and the other tenant moved out.

My current detective work is qualifying Open House attendees. It's amazing how much I have learned to know whether it's worth pursuing them or not.

Bridgette: Yes we need to FLAG them. The shocker was the spam was for Re_ltor.com. Now I refuse to give them a link or proper spelling. And I need to read the guidelines.

Steve & Heat...: It is a single person starting multiple bogus accounts. Unlike Charity the foreclosure person who asked and answered her own questions, these spammers have one identity asking a questions. Then they have two other identities that slam people who respond differently than the answer they want and promote the website or intended answer to the question. The next one them chimes in to agree. The humor is with both Charity and the Re_lty.com guy is that several people didn't give the answers they were expecting.

Sorry for the long post.
Ruth
3 votes Thank Flag Link Tue Aug 28, 2007
Ruthless, Other/Just Looking in 60558
MVP'08
Deborah,
I too, missed this quick round of spamming. Good catch (Ruth too)! I advise that when we see such things, we flag the question and the "canned" answer BOTH as spam. Thumbs down too! The first person to catch it should also post "this is spam" so that the rest of us do not answer it unintentionally...
3 votes Thank Flag Link Tue Aug 21, 2007
PS to Ruth,
It is my understanding that the "web reference" line is to direct the questioner to outside information. It is not a "signature line"--surely it is not labeled as such! Many REALTORs do put their personal URL here, but repeated constant use in the manner is against Trulia guidelines... currently this small infraction is not policed... -
2 votes Thank Flag Link Tue Aug 21, 2007
I was off line most of the day - and obviously missed a great phenomenon! You go girls - we will keep trulia.com spam free!
2 votes Thank Flag Link Tue Aug 21, 2007
I think I understand your concern. Because there is the ability to insert links to other sites within our remarks; some have learned that in doing so they create back links to websites. This will inturn increase the ranking of these sites. So, it is linking. Spam is unwanted email. I still understand your concern for the direct attempt to market a site with some of these posting.
We all want more business. How we approach the use of this site is the real question.
Web Reference: http://www.chrisroark.com
2 votes Thank Flag Link Tue Aug 21, 2007
Hi Ruth,

You hit it solid. There was a string of 20 posts in rapid succession, all in which the answer was to go to Realtor.com or one of its affiliate sites to get assistance or information.

I have nothing against Realtor.com, and make reference to it myself in my posts, when appropriate. I am a paying customer with added features on Realtor.com.

The activity sems to have stopped now. Perhpas the poster, on their own or with help from Trulia decided it wasn't a good idea to do that. I doubt this was an official company move on the part of Realtor.com, but rather the decision of one individual.
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Deborah Madey, Real Estate Pro in Red Bank, NJ
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Deborah, are you referring to what I think Chris was answering or are you referring to Renau? For the longest time I thought Web Reference was a signature line for the poster's own web site. Then I noticed when someone was giving advice about where the questioning person could get the answer, they put the web site in the reference box instead of in the answer section. I discovered this when a Real Estate Pro from Coldwell Banker or ReMax gave the web reference for http://www.fsbo.com.
Ruth
Web Reference: http://www.oak-park-il.com
1 vote Thank Flag Link Tue Aug 21, 2007
Ruthless, Other/Just Looking in 60558
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Spam is a nice way to put it Deborah.
We are all self promoters it is our job, If you are not doing your job you will not be in business to long

I can buy software that will rip through every question asked on Trulia, and give a answer.

Great question? check out this new site I just found. FSBOFORUM. for more answers.

Honestly if I cant do it or have enough self respect not to do it, no one else should either.

Jeanette pointed out to me earlier that it could only get worse, with the growth in popularity.
0 votes Thank Flag Link Tue Aug 28, 2007
Mr.P, Other/Just Looking in Arizona
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Ruth,
Besides being a former RE agent, I think you were a detective, too!
D
0 votes Thank Flag Link Tue Aug 21, 2007
Deborah Madey, Real Estate Pro in Red Bank, NJ
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