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Ariana, Real Estate Pro in Las Vegas, NV

Hi, I am considering trying the Craig Proctor system. I looked on his website and I see there is a $700

Asked by Ariana, Las Vegas, NV Wed Apr 15, 2009

fee to join. Does anybody know if there are additional fees after you join and about how much? Thank you
Ariana

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Ariana - I've also looked at the system, appears much like "By Referral Only" from six or seven years ago with the Internet layered on top. As mentioned by others, the strategies are way behind the times, such as ZERO DOWN LOANS! and IF YOU CAN FOG A MIRROR! lending qualifications.
I'm going to get alot of crap from others by saying this, but: if you need a coach other than your broker or mentor, you should probably try another line of work. Take good ideas wherever you find them and always be looking, there are a lot of great gurus out there, but paying to do phone calls with a coach who doesn't know you and doesn't know your market is surely a waste of money.
If you need or want someone to shout at you over the phone to pump you up enough to do a job you supposedly love... call me and I'll rip your ear off. No charge.
3 votes Thank Flag Link Thu Feb 2, 2012
My opinion is not to waste your money, consumers are too smart to fall for the marketing gimmicks they teach. We tried it and it can feel sleazy when you actually use some of the techniques they suggest. I suggest that you buy a good book on general marketing instead, build up your listing inventory with good old fashioned hard work, and look into the growing trend of flat fee listings and buyer rebates to build your volume.
3 votes Thank Flag Link Thu Apr 16, 2009
Ariana - lots of good points below - I read through them all and agree with a lot of it and dis-agree with a lot of it, I suppose that's what makes us all different, hence, why coaching works for some and not others. To blatantly say "coaching is a waste of money" or "if you need it consider a different line of work" is insane. Did you know, for example, Tiger Woods still uses a golf coach - did you also know Oprah uses a business/life coach and these people are considered to be the best in the world.

I may not be the one on here who has been in this business the longest but I can say I was with a coach for 5 years of the 14 years I've been in real estate and my production was helped immensely by a coach and yes, I am a self starter. I'm 41 years old and have never worked for anyone, been self employed since age 18 so it even works for those that are motivated.

That being said I have never used Proctor but I'd say if it fits your style and it works for "you" then check into it. Someone mentioned "too sales pitchy" below - I agree with that in the sense that you need to hone your skills around who you really are - when people try to mold themselves to something else or someone else's pitch because they hear it works they typically fail because its not them. A good personal coach will learn to understand you, your personality and hone his or here suggestions to you rather than a blanket one size fits all.

I would say take a look at your business model and what are you trying to achieve - coaching, books, programs, lead generators are all very different and serve their specific purpose. If you're just looking for coaching than there are many other great one on one coaches out there who can help better than the system you mentioned I am sure.

The marketing side of it - there are so many other avenues here as well outside of the one system to explore - I guess my point is take a look at the advice all the great professionals here took the time to write but also understand who you are, what motivates you and what YOU need to be successful. Best of luck Ariana.
2 votes Thank Flag Link Sat May 11, 2013
Craig Proctor is not for everyone...as some of the comments below suggest.
However, there is no denying he is a master of effective marketing.

Many professionals will take a proven process and cripple it by making it suit their personality. Marketing is not about the personality of the business, but the personality of the citizen, the personality of the reader who has been identified as pre-disposed to doing business with you. Confusing these two aspects will result in an ineffective campaign.

Are there additional fees? You bet. There are always additional fees. Top Producer, Trulia, Realtor.com and Craig Proctor provide multiple opportunities to redistribute your wealth. Real estate professionals are part of the food chain. These vendors will keep taking a bite until we are out of business or grow up and do the work ourselves.

What is great about the Proctor system is it's portability. Good copy works in any media. You can have all the websites you want, but if the copy stinks, so will the results. If for no other reason, getting well done consumer specific campaigns, into your library of resources, makes it worthwhile.

I personally have found the Craig Proctor system beneficial to me.....in the manner for which I intended it.
2 votes Thank Flag Link Fri Feb 3, 2012
Don't waste your money. The coaching program is very expensive and you are locked into the contract. Instead of spending money on the websites and the coaching, spend it on your own education and marketing. They keep convincing you to hang in there and keep working the system to see a return on your investment. Unfortunately for me I a wasted a large amount of time and money in the Coaching program and then Mastery. They insisted on charging me a final $1,000 to get out. I had to borrow it. Craig is extremely convincing but stay away.
2 votes Thank Flag Link Thu Feb 2, 2012
Ariana:

I recommend going on Amazon and buying some books. Here are my top 5:

1. Getting past No, Getting to Yes
2. The E-Myth
3. Swimming with the Sharks, without being eating Alive
4. The Master of Sales
5. The purple cow.

This will cost you 50 bucks and give you some tremendous tools to add to your arsenal. You will have to practice and fail to figure out what works and what does not. If you don't want to fail then spend the $700 bucks and just implement their system. Best
2 votes Thank Flag Link Thu Sep 16, 2010
For less than $10 per month you can have something like this:
2 votes Thank Flag Link Wed Apr 29, 2009
Hi Ariana!
I have not experienced the Craig Proctor system. I listened to his sales pitch, but chose not to do it because it seemed to "pitchy" for me.
I am a huge, raving fan of Brian Buffini. He is an honest, ethical motivator with sound coaching advice. His philosophy is to work by referral and utilize your SOI to build your business. I love it!
Feel free to contact me should you need additional information.
$150/mo for your website is highway robbery. Ck out my site and if you like it, I will forward my web designer to you - she's great!
Diane
2 votes Thank Flag Link Fri Apr 17, 2009
Diane, I noticed that your search widget took you directly to your ML site. I, too, use a ML site. I just wanted to see if you were doing anything differently to capture your leads and turn them in to buyers/sellers. Conversion seems to be a big issue to me. http://www.findmckinneyhomesforsale.com
Flag Tue Apr 24, 2012
Hi! I've started their free trial and I am quite overwhelmed with so much information. However, that being said, my last 7 years I have been generating a decent income but with no life. This is because we are jack of all trades. We have to do everything. And most of the actions we do are not money generating ones. This website is not just a website, it's a system that facilitates our job and allows us to generate more leads in order to sort through them and stick to the good ones that will turn into $$$. It is a numbers game. I meet with so many people that don't amount to anything and are just time suckers.I know an agent that is using a lot of what Craig teaches and he is quite successful. He has developed a team in order to take care of all those leads he is generating cause at some point you just can't do it all. It's not for everyone, but it's what you make of it. Another one of my collegues contacted me as she wanted me to take care of all her leads that the website was generating. It does work but it needs to be learned and applied properly. It can be stopped at anytime so you have nothing to lose. Agents advertise full pages in the paper and that is quite expensive. They don't seem to think about that. I think that is wasted money.
1 vote Thank Flag Link Sat May 25, 2013
Just wondering if you ever signed up for the Craig Proctor system. I went to a free "mini-seminar" at the beginning of the year. It focused on the Craigslist ads and the landing pages you could purchase through Craigs company.

I walked out a little early. I tried to ask a question but was told I could not interrupt. The system they were preaching here in Illinois was illegal to say the least. It misled consumers and broke all kinds of license laws here in Illinois. So I guess my advice would be to check with your state to see if their methods are even legal.

Now...I will say this. If modified (which they were not saying to do) the system could follow the rules. The landing page must have the brokerage visible to the consumer and the ads just can not be misleading. If your ad headline says "Beautiful 4BR House" then the ad should follow....what I was finding is people having that as their headline and then the body of the post would be something completely different. That is misleading and illegal.

Best of luck...my opinion there are better coaches out there with better methods to grow your business.

Mike Long
Long Realty
1 vote Thank Flag Link Wed Sep 15, 2010
To Lester Cox: It's simply not possible for you to personally know THREE THOUSAND agents who have been using Craig Proctor coaching. You may have heard that 3,000 agents use his system. You may know three…or thirty, but not 3,000. Sorry, but you lost credibility with such a claim.
Flag Sat Feb 28, 2015
Been with Craig Proctor for 13 years and I know two very top agents in Naperville IL who use the system. I know of nothing illegal about Craig's systems in any state. There may be tweaks needed, but certainly have never heard of one person who has been in trouble with their commission in any state or province and I personally know over 3000 agents who have been through his coaching systems.
Flag Sun Feb 9, 2014
Ariana,

here is a solution that is much better...unlimited websites, marketing materials, entire campaigns, social networking, contact manager, blogging, seo and best of all...exclusive markets. You can be theonly agent in your market with access to all this, $67/month.

It is truly amazing what they have to offer with Busy Agent Pro. Check out the link below (on Tues afternoons at 1 pm est the owners do a live video webinar demo), it will provide more details, but this system is the best way to go for little money. Plus, it is an active community sharing marketing ideas that are working now.
Web Reference: http://www.getbap.com
1 vote Thank Flag Link Wed Apr 29, 2009
Awesome system, many very successful agents in Las Vegas have been or are a part of the program. If you would like to speak to some agents who actually use the system, just call Joe at Craig Proctors office 800-538-1034 and ask for some contact info of people right in your market using the program. I don't think I would take the advise of those who have never tried it.
0 votes Thank Flag Link Sun Feb 9, 2014
This question was posted in Apr 2009.
Since that time Ariana has added NO information to the profile and received NO reccommends.
It is very likely Ariana choose to spend NO money to advace a real estate enterprise and has faded into the sunset.
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Moral to the story: Working any system is better than having NO system.

Best Regards,
Annette Lawrence, Broker/Associate
Remax Realtec Group
Palm Harbor, FL
727.420.4041
Move to the Front of the Line
(http://FirstLookHomes.us)
0 votes Thank Flag Link Fri Nov 29, 2013
Read the reviews and the BBB entries.
0 votes Thank Flag Link Thu Nov 28, 2013
As a Proctor member and coach for the last 5 years, I can say that my business wouldn't be where its at if it were not for Craig and his system. I went from $125k gci to $1.6M in GCI this year (2013) there are always costs to do business but if your looking to achieve the highest ROI for what you get vs spend, this system is by far better than any other coaching program. I'm certainly not saying other systems aren't good but I just knew that door knocking and cold calling wasnt for me and calling all my friends for referrals was a bit weird for me. now I send direct response marketing pieces and reply to the prospects who raise their hand...sounds simple and it is. don't worry about the cost, take the leap and achieve a quantum leap!!
0 votes Thank Flag Link Thu Nov 28, 2013
Has anyone used the Craig Proctor system in 2012-2013 real estate market? Is it effective with the market coming back?
0 votes Thank Flag Link Fri Aug 23, 2013
Thanks Jay and Michelle for your advise on using Craig Proctor system. I think I will make a investment this year in his program after hearing your success story!
Flag Mon Feb 10, 2014
Derrick, I didn't mean to step on toes of those who find coaching useful. I know there are some who find it necessary to be successful. However, I'm not sure what you mean by "the best in the world" regarding Oprah and Tiger. Best at what? Success is measured differently by different folks and I can tell you that Tiger is not someone I would want my son to take after.

I did much research into the coaching aspect of this business. I even hired one of the best for a period of time. The point I was making was the Craig Proctor system is outdated and I would not waste my money on it. Guess I got off track a bit.

By the way, my first job was hauling newspapers in a wagon to a scrap yard more than a mile from my house. There were no wheelchair friendly ramps back then. And every curb, without fail, at least half of them would fall onto the sidewalk and I had to scramble to pick them up before I got ran over. I was eight years old. I have been self employed for most of my life and am now almost 60.

If coaching works for you then by all means keep doing it. Have a great weekend and don't forget to wish the special women in your life a happy Mother's Day.
0 votes Thank Flag Link Sat May 11, 2013
John makes a great point. The only time I can see the benefit of a coach is if a person really gets into a funk and even then I think the lending of a good friend's ear can accomplish the same thing. Real estate agents need to be self starters or it is not going to work.

I attended one of these seminars when I first got into real estate. I was impressed and came very close to signing up, but decided to keep an eye on another agent in our office who took the plunge. Not worth the $$$.

I liked his ads and the idea behind them, but this is something you can get from a great marketing person who understands the real estate world.
0 votes Thank Flag Link Sat May 11, 2013
If you attend the free 1 day seminar -check craigproctor.com, there is a special for their conferences - Anaheim, Toronto and Orlando which includes all their books and the 3 day conference, and lots of other freebies.

Jo
0 votes Thank Flag Link Fri May 10, 2013
I went to his seminar andt they are great salesmen. Hey have a great sales pitch. They're know for one of the biggest seminars in the country. The system could work but I wouldn't do it if you couldn't comfortably afford it.

150 per month website cost is high.
they'll want you to invest in the coaching program
seminar is$2000 i think.

go to a seminar to get more info. but no matter how bad you want to sign up. just wait a while. They have great sales pitches.

but marketing is always difficult.
0 votes Thank Flag Link Thu Apr 16, 2009
It does have to be HIGHLY modified to take the cheese out of it. FREE HOT NEW LISTINGS! and BUY WITH ABSOLUTELY ZERO DOWN! are a bit over the top for most consumers, but you can edit all of the page titles, text, links, etc to make the site more professional.
0 votes Thank Flag Link Thu Apr 16, 2009
You can get a 60 day free trial with about a $200 setup fee. $150/mo after for the Gold package.
Web Reference: http://SeattleHome.com
0 votes Thank Flag Link Wed Apr 15, 2009
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