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Can I offer 10 or 15% below asking price?

Asked by Troll Charmer, out of area Wed Aug 15, 2007

My husband and I want to purchase a second home. We are completely flexible with a closing date and we are willing to pay cash. We have seen very many homes that are appealing to us that and would suit our needs. Since there are so many homes available, is it reasonable to make an offer of 10 or 15% below asking price? In addition, is it reasonable to make a condition that an offer is only valid for a short period, for example, 24 hours?

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Dear Paula:

You have some very good answers already posted. However, your question did not address, if you were working with a Realtor, or not. If you are working with a professional, trust their advice, as even in Florida, we still have multiple, "Over Asking" offers on aggressively priced homes. But, as a licensed Broker in Florida (where I am assuming the home is located) I have successfully negotiated offers even lower than 15% when it was possible.

There are a few critical factors. The first is dealing with a professional on the other (listing) side of the transaction. Hopefully the listing agent will explain to the seller not to be upset with your offer, but rather be upset with all of the other people that came to see their home and rejected it. Your agent should do a CMA (Comparative/Competitive Market Analysis) for you, so that you know roughly what the market value is.

Another critical factor is to remember that the Seller is making the first "offer" when they set the asking price. This offer is made to the public via the MLS and any other method their agent and they choose to market the home. When a buyer makes an offer it is really a "counter" to the Seller's initial offer. If the Seller is confident that his agent has given his home adequate exposure, they are often willing to negotitate. The Sellers set the market, but the buyers always determine the value.

One piece of advice though, don't get so caught up in getting a deal on a house that you compromise on finding a home. The best deals in any market are houses with location liabilities (busy streets, unsightly towers, or unkept neighborhoods) or distress sales (foreclosures, death, and divorce) Just remember people who couldn't make their mortgage payment for a year also may have skipped routine maintenance, and a house with a location liability only sells for one reason in any market - it is the cheapest one available.

One of the blessings of our current market is that time is on your side. Take your time and work with an agent that will show you enough property that will give you confidence in your decision to purchase your second home. This is your reward ... make it fun!
3 votes Thank Flag Link Wed Aug 15, 2007
Paula, you are the one that dictates what the contract says. I advise my clients but will write offers even when ill advised. If your area has a huge oversupply on the market and homes aren't moving it might be reasonable to offer that. In any case get comparables. 15% off a house that's overpriced by 20% isn't going to be a bargain.

I often write special conditions about the offer being accepted or rejected for a certain amount of time.

Chris Tesch
RE/MAX Bryan-College Station
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2 votes Thank Flag Link Wed Aug 15, 2007
Yes, but only if you are willing to never buy the house. Many homeowners will be insulted and refuse to ever deal with you again, even if you come back with a full price offer. On the other hand, some sellers may be grateful just to get an interested buyer and will negotiate with you.

It is very reasonable to set a time limit but 24 hours seem way to short for your offer. If you were offering full price, 24 hours would be fine. But with a 14.4% below offer and a second home, you should give them 3 business days, in my opinion.

Some agents don't like low offers but it is their duty to present it to the seller. If you get any attitude finding a good buyer's agent, you can always go with http://www.buysiderealty.com and do all of the offers online. This is assuming you have been looking at the homes on your own at open houses and on-line.
Good luck,
Ruth
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2 votes Thank Flag Link Wed Aug 15, 2007
Ruthless, Other/Just Looking in 60558
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Hi,

Yes, you can do that. My advice for constructing an offer is to base it on the specific property, recent comps, trends, absorption rates and competition in that neighborhood. If a 2 very similar properties were priced 50K apart, and you used a simple percent below ask price as your guideline, you could still overpay for a property.

Some sellers may decline to counter to your offer. But, if there is lots of inventory and another home will suit you, that's OK. You simply move to plan B.

If you have cash and can be flexible about the property, you will be able to buy well. Choose a good buyer agent who can negotiate and present well on your behalf.
2 votes Thank Flag Link Wed Aug 15, 2007
Deborah Madey, Real Estate Pro in Red Bank, NJ
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Paula,

in short your answer is yes! Should you check the surrounding area and see what homes have recently sold for? Sure you should but as a Realtor in Florida an offer for 10 to 15% below list price should be accepted well. There was a time that an offer like that would do nothing but upset the seller and sour a deal. In this market there is a good chance that the seller will accept it or at the very least make a counter offer. There are so many homes to choose from and sellers are very well aware of that. As far as the time frame, unless the seller is out of state and not easily reached 24 is very acceptable.

Best of Luck,

Linda J Sears
2 votes Thank Flag Link Wed Aug 15, 2007
YES! Especially in the market in Florida right now. So many home people need to get out of. Even builders of new homes are negotiating ridiculous prices (yes they are, show valid interest and push back a bit, watch 'em dance for you.) 15% may not be low enough!
1 vote Thank Flag Link Wed Aug 15, 2007
Just last month, JP Morgan reported that in their estimation, real estate prices will drop 37% on *average*. This means that if you buy at 15% below asking price, you are likely to lose a tremendous amount of money when you resell.

Try 30%.
0 votes Thank Flag Link Mon Mar 2, 2009
In this market ,any offer is a good offer. If you looked at a property that you are interested in, qualifed to buy and motivated to make an offer, then the customer is alway right.

The only insulting offer is NO OFFER.

So get out there and buy a house already!
0 votes Thank Flag Link Thu Jan 24, 2008
Absolutely!! 10-15% below the asking price is not out of order in the current market. However, your offer should be presented in a manner that is appealing to the seller. Thing that can help with an offer such as this: #1 Cash speaks loudly-make it known that you are a cash buyer if this is the case
#2 If you are not a cash buyer, obtain a letter of qualification from your lending agency that
specifies the amount you want to pay.
#3 Provide an initial cash deposit with a secondary deposite to follow. A larger amount will
demonstrate you level of seriousness and hold their attention.
#4 Offer a quick closing-most motivated sellers want "OUT" as soon as possible-A 30 day or
sooner closing also hold their attention.
#5 Don't confuse things with trying to negotiate personal items in the offer....keep it clean!
Once the offer is accepted you can deal with other issues.

Good luck!
0 votes Thank Flag Link Sat Jan 19, 2008
Paula,
The answers you received were extensive and informative, and probably right. But none of them may apply to the local market where you intend to purchase. You appear to be in a very good position to achieve exactly what you intend. But let me ask some questions: are you truly a cash buyer (it makes a difference with a savvy listing agent)? Also, did you know you can purchase a second/investment home with IRA (individual retirement account) funds in part or in its entirety? Investigate you long-term options and tax implications more thoroughly with a local REALTOR who has residential investment experience. There are more variables here than you have probably considered. Best of luck and happy hunting!
0 votes Thank Flag Link Thu Aug 16, 2007
Paula, it depends where you want to buy and how much of an inventory your area of choice has. Lets say 7-9% is a bit the norm these days where I am from and for other areas of Florida..You can always try and either they counter offer or not.You might tick them off if you low ball though.That simple.Depends how long the property has been on the market and how much is their mortgage if any.You can add conditions.They don't have to accept them though.Its all about Offer and Acceptance.They are the Sellers and its up to them to decide. Of course with the market being soft these days, you have a good chance of getting what you want ..within reason.
24 hours is fine.
Good luck
0 votes Thank Flag Link Wed Aug 15, 2007
You can certainly offer 10-15% below asking and put conditions on the offer. Your Realtor should be able to advise you...please tell me you're using a Realtor?
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Cindi Hagley, Real Estate Pro in San Ramon, CA
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I always advise to my clients to consider several things prior to making an offer. First how long has the property been on the market.? If a property has been on the market for longer than 5 or 6 months it is a sign that the home is over priced. Rule of thumb. The longer a home has been on the market the more flexible the seller is likely to be.
Next , what will be the sellers response? I find at times that some sellers get offended and difficult to work with when they get an offer WAY WAY under asking price. However, on the other hand there are a few that will be excited to have an offer and counter.
I have found that I have had best results when my clients have stayed with in 10-15,000 of the asking price.
Finally, Consider how you feel about the home and how serious you are about the offer.
As far as time constraints, You can have your agent resend the offer if you decide to move on to another property prior to an agreed contract.
Keep iin mind during your house hunting many sellers are emotionally attached to their home. If you find a home that is the one for you consider things carefully prior to making an offer.
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0 votes Thank Flag Link Wed Aug 15, 2007
I think there is no set place to bid. It depends on where the property is priced. If it's 20% high than you'd be paying more than fair market value. If it is low, then you might have someone else outbid you. If you think the price is fair than 10% under might be a good starting point. I think you also have to consider what you would do if someone bid 10-15% less than asking on your home. Would you counter, would you not, how serious would you think the buyer is? Personally I think giving the 24hr expiration is a little quick. This might sound to some sellers like you're trying to take advantage of them. You might put in 3-4 days, so if they think about it they have time, and if they don't respond then the offer dies. I think you also have to consider the area you are thinking about buying. Can the sellers realistically move 10-15%. There are some neighborhoods in my market that even if the seller wanted to take 10% less they couldn't do it as the bank won't neogotiate a short sale and they don't have the equity or cash to help you buy the house.
0 votes Thank Flag Link Wed Aug 15, 2007
Bruce Lynn, Real Estate Pro in Coppell, TX
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A couple of thoughts - first, buyers start the process and without your effort no deal would every get done - be it that you are the winning bidder or just the gauge of the market at the time. Second, its your offer, you should make it fit your needs and abilities, believe me the sellers will do the same when its their turn. (Don't waste peoples time though - if you can't really afford the property - don't make an offer).
Making offers conditional on time can be very effective if you are in hot market and competing with other similiar offers . However, you look to be presenting what could be precieved as a low offer by the seller and having a very flexible attitude about what property you end up with, your closing date etc. I don't think i would recommend that strategy - (what if one of the sellers is unreachable for 48 hrs and accepts - your offer become void at the 24 hour mark - are you telling me you would not accept it?)
0 votes Thank Flag Link Wed Aug 15, 2007
Hello Paula:

I am in California, so I will say what's common in Northern California.

First, Making a condition where the offer is only valid for a certain period of time, such as 24 hours, is quite common. On top of that, as long as you don't have a signed, agreed contract from the other side in hand, you are allowed to withdraw the offer.

Second on the question about 10-15% below asking really depends on how realistic the price is set, the location, the specific house, how many days the house has been on the market and most important thing, the local market condition...., etc.

With everything that's done right, we still see multiple offers in Marin; so there goes the automatically mark down by buyers, sorry!

If the house is only worth $800K, and listed at $1M because of the seller's unrealistic expectation, even if you negotiate it down to $850K, I think we will all agree that this is not a good deal. .

So, ,find an agent who has experience, great track record, knows the local market, the inventory and with good negotiation skills to help you with your offer and negotiation to get you the best deal. Once you made an offer, there are also potentially other things to negotiate, e.g. the repairs, if any, and what not. So, just keep that in mind when you make the offer.

Good Luck,
Sylvia
0 votes Thank Flag Link Wed Aug 15, 2007
Sylvia Barry,…, Real Estate Pro in Novato, CA
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Ask your Realtor for comps on surrounding properties. What percent of the listing price are the sellers receiving/ A good realtor can answer this question & tell you an average price per sq. foot for comparable properties.
If you are in a "buyers market" a 10% below asking price offer should be well received.
0 votes Thank Flag Link Wed Aug 15, 2007
I would point out in reference to Ruth's answer that the online offer ability is only available in the following states: CA, FL, GA, IL, VA, WA. (It was not clear in what state the second home might be in)

I agree with your thinking, in a high inventory market with a cash offer, you should have significant leverage. The short time frame could work for or against you, but the thinking is sound.
0 votes Thank Flag Link Wed Aug 15, 2007
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