There is not a standard commission, just as there is not a standard price for car, nor a standard fee for an accountant, or a standard price tag for a watch. You can buy a pre-owned car without a warranty for a few thousand, or a new car with bells and whistles for close to six figures. One accountant may charge $100 for a tax return, and another may charge many thousands. Do you want a watch from the Walgreens or Cartier?
SELLER FEES: So, what are the choices when it comes to real estate transactions? A seller can spend a few hundred dollars for a flat fee listing and offer a buyer agent commission only, or a seller can enter into any number of hybrid plans that combine upfront payments with bonus commissions at closing, or commission only plans that can hit double digits. While the double digit plans are uncommon, there are circumstances where that may be the best choice for a seller.
While there are no fixed or standard industry rates, individual businesses are free to set their set fee schedules. Some individual Realtors will provide you a proposal that reflects their set fees, others will negotiate with you. At our company, we offer sellers a choice of marketing and representation plans so that a seller can choose that which works best for him/her. When we provide single property dedicated websites, floor plans, videos, premium web placements, and pricey print ads, the fee structure is different that when we don’t. Where we are able to contain costs, we pass on the savings to our seller clients.
If you are a seller considering hiring a Realtor………When you hire a Realtor, you are contracting for representation, advice, and marketing. Gain a thorough understanding of what services and marketing you will be receiving for the fees charged. Make your decisions predicated upon the plan which you believe will present you the best net.
In zip code 08753, there are currently over 500 single family properties for sale. That figure does not include townhouses, condos, land, or multi-family homes. The market is competitive. Some sellers opt for aggressive marketing plans to gain an edge on the competition. Sales of SF homes in Toms River are down 29% YTD. We have been averaging 14-16 months of inventory for the last few months, swinging the market in favor of the buyer. (Source MOMLS 4-16-2008)
BUYER FEES: A buyer can contract for representation and hire a buyer agent who can look to the MLS for listed properties, as well as contact active property sellers who are unrepresented, or source potential properties which are not actively for sale. A buyer and buyer agent can enter into a buyer agency contract for representation which defines the amount of compensation an agent will receive. In such agreement, any fees paid by a seller can applied to the buyer agent compensation.
If you have additional questions about the real estate market in Toms River, or representation options, please feel free to repost on this thread, or contact me directly.
Deborah Madey - Broker
Peninsula Realty Group - New Jersey
Deborah@PeninsulaFirst.com
732 530-6350
There isn't any "standard" commission ... never has been because it's negotiable .. besides, it's been a long and cold winter for most agents out there, including the ones in Florida ...
Most agents haven't had a good closing in 4 or 5 months .. plus, there's a 30% failure rate due to shaky credit, income verification (or lack of) and of course, a bad debt ratio popping up at the very last minute - whatever.
Right now you're seeing agents doing 3 and 4% , and you're also seeing agents doing flat fee's based on time frames, which is fair ... for those that need 6 or 7%, just move on and interview the next 3 ...
Keep in mind .. the huge amount of agents competing for a job right now, not only is it a buyers market, it's a buyers market all around .. this will motivate all of the top quality agents to work harder to get your business ..
Good luck and happy hunting.
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This isn't about you .. it's about consumers getting their best deal in this volatile
market ... denial is not a river in Egypt my friend.
If you can get 28% commission on your next 20 homes sales, then have at it .. buy yourself a pair of Roberto Cavalli jeans and get a pair of 24ct wingtips for your High School reunion, and let the good times roll .. whatever floats your boat..l.o.l..
But it's common conversation in most parts of Michigan ..
There is quite a few homes in the Grosse Pointe area that are dealing with quality realtors at 2 and 4%, friends there used them last fall to sell their home on a flat fee ... do you think Boyne paid more than 2% on that last deal..?
You're seeing it in Lansing, and thats close enough for horseshoes and hand grenades in your neck of the woods ....
It's just not your area .. it's business 101 anywhere and everywhere ..
A savvy consumer isn't going to spend an extra $10,000 to sell his home when the full-service realtor is used 5 doors down, instead of using the one next door and $10,000 less - discount doesn't mean bad, it means less ... .. you're seeing it in Virginia, Vegas, Fla, the Carolinas, NY, Ohio, California .. I guess the the question is, where isn't it .?
Do you think your boss is going to keep paying the rent and all of that overhead with you saying 6% 6% 6% with fewer and fewer clients. .. especially when your competitor is doing 4% or less - "and" doing 3 times the volume..? ... thats what put half of the car dealers out of business between 1999 and 2004 ...
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_48/b4011049.htm
Does this sound familiar.?
"Death Of The Car Salesman
Savvy customers, lower margins, fewer sales, and too many dealers: Car salespeople never had it so bad.."
Sincerely, I'm not trying to be a smart ... but this could very possibly read:
"Death Of The Realtor
Savvy customers, lower margins, fewer sales, and too many brokers: agent salespeople never had it so bad .."
Now, whether agents cut 30% of their deals or 70% of their deals, it matters not ... the point is, they'll cut more and more just to increase cash flow with more and more volume in clients (if they're smart) .. what would an owner rather have, 5 agents bringing in $8,000 each or 2 agents bringing in $12,000 each (and yes, you have 3 minutes to answer) :^) ..
The tip of the iceberg is already here .. you just have to decide whether to run aground or use the current in your favor...
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It cheapens us all when we trade insults, no matter how well couched they are.
Commissions are negotiable. That doesn't mean that the agent who quotes you 6% must negotiate a lower rate with you, it merely means that agents and agencies are empowered to charge their own rates, according to the services they offer, and the value they feel their services are worth.
There are many models to choose from... all the way from list-you-on-the-MLS-for-free services, to flat-fee services, discount agents/agencies, agents/agencies that reimburse a portion of their commission to you, and full service agents/agencies.
An abundance of choice.
Jr, You have mentioned turning down listings when a seller wants to price too high. A Realtor turns down listings when the property is priced too high, because the expense to both the company and agent is simply too high to carry. As a broker, we cover all marketing and advertising expenses for our listings. Once in a while, an agent may determine to augment the marketing with additional ads paid by the agent. But, most of the time, all of the ad and marketing come from us,the broker. I am not dismissing the time factor for the agent as an adjustment. By the time the listing is a few days into the system, both agent and company have made monetary and time investments. For both company, and agent, some listings are simply not worth taking if the investment is unlikely to yield a return.. All listings come with up front expense and commitment. We accept that as part of the risk/reward factor. As a company, we do have a hybrid marketing plan for sellers that involves up front payment on their part. They earn savings from the whole fee due, and we have a small up front professional fee paid to us.
Don't you know that “Real Estate is Local”™ and that “It’s Different Here”™?
-John
Right now you're seeing agents doing 3 and 4% , and you're also seeing agents doing flat fee's based on time frames, which is fair ... for those that need 6 or 7%, just move on and interview the next 3 ...
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I've closed on 2.5 million dollars worth of real estate this year. These may not be world record numbers, but I'm satisfied. All at least 5% commission on each deal. You may be speaking of conditions in your small corner of the universe.
That said, I have advised some sellers not to sell unless they absolutely have to, and I have advised some buyers not to buy. I see prices coming down much more. I think that is a good thing. There are people ho HAVE TO move sometimes for various reasons: death, divorce, illness, job transfer. As I pretend to look in my crystal ball, I also see all the realtor bashers, 80% haircut predictors, and general gloaters over other's misfortune rushing in at some point and buying properties and then turning around and flipping them as prices go back up and creating another cycle. Why else all these questions on Trulia asking where can I buy a cheap forclosure.
The standard commission for selling a home is 5.1% - that is the national average. If you are in Enid, Oklahoma, it could be possible that the rates could be higher or lower, in Catskill NY the average is 7%.. that is 4 hours north of NYC and houses do not sell too often... 7%. So, I guess we know that houses in wherever South Carolina where Tman, Tiger Woods (ha ha) and Gary player live.. Your commission will be in the 2.5% - 3% range.. so I advise you to move to a better area if you want to sell homes.
Done. Over.
But thank you, you've just proved it does ... or you wouldn't have spent the last 4 months and all that spent energy from the same 3 agents that always want to wave the flag and pound the drum for the NAR. ...
Basically you're just trying to reaffirm your position with "your" clients -- afraid you'll get caught..?
See, it matters not for me whether Deborah charges 8% or 18% .. it makes little or no difference for me if Chris charges 60% - and it really makes no difference that the realtor down the street will do 4.5%... it's a buyers market, and agents being part of this discounted market .. some agents will gain from it and others won't.
But it is important that consumers know and understand the market is changing .. and will change a lot more in the next 25 months, discounted rates are already here by a lot of full service realtors ... it's the buyers and sellers job to shop - shop some more and find the right one - and not pay too much ...
Do you think the car dealer is going to tell his customer that the buyer in the next office just paid $900 less for the same car.? - I don't think so .l.o.l...
The thinking is simple and basic, they would rather make $8,400 on this $240,000 home sale than zero .. they would rather see a $20,000 flat fee on that $800,000 home sale than watching the stock report on CNN for the 63rd time ...
So, whether you except it now .. 20 months from now, or never - is really non important .. the savvy consumers will interview you and your price .. some will gain, some won't.
You're in the the same scenario that car dealers were in 1998/2004 ... they laughed at the consumers with their internet information, then hiding this cost and that cost ...
Then one by one, their market penetration fell from 97%, then 70%, then a few short years later under 50% ... now they're working for someone else .. or not at all.
Chris: "these poor people" .... please, stop the drama class.
You work in one of the most distressed area's of the country .. you make a commission off of nice hard working folks that can barely make their mortgage payment or their hospital needs -- and you say "this poor people.."...? ..l.o.l...
This is the very reason why consumer advocates like myself take folks like you to task ...
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I understand your concerns. When someone from outside the industry reads inaccurate data, they don't know it is faulty.
Hi Ray,
In our MLS for Monmouth/Ocean NJ, as in most MLSs, the buyer agent commission (BAC) is printed, but not the seller agent commission. Any member Realtor can advise you what a competitive rate for BAC is for this area, and will advise you for your property and personal situation. What I cannot see in the MLS is the total commission. There are over 1000 listings in Toms River right now, and the buyer agent commission alone as reflected in MLS would easily dispel any faulty data represented earlier in this thread. For the buyer agents to receive the commission offerings represented would mean we have a lot of seller agents working for free or even paying you. Since it is preposterous to think that 1000 seller agents are working for free, the data does not support faulty claims made earlier in this thread. Additionally, I have pulled YTD stats for Toms River, and that, again, discredits claims made on this thread.
If I can assist you with accurate data and advice based upon local market conditions, please feel free to contact me. I can support my assertions.
Regards,
Deborah Madey - Real Estate Broker
Peninsula Realty Group - New Jersey
732 530-6350
**..I'm seeing commissions in the 6, 7 and 8% area..**
If you see those numbers you better be running the other way ...
Most realtors haven't see a paycheck in months and quality agents will be more than happy to do a quality job for 3/4% ....
7/8% .l.o.l.. I gotta say, Dianne sure has a good sense of humor....
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Are you saying time has no value? If I had a listing expire, all the time spent is unpaid. You say brokers should put something tangible up front. We do. We pay for advertising, food for open houses, prizes for open houses, gas to drive folks around..not to mention our fees.
There is no standard commision. Focus on the performance of your agent. You want to sell your house for the highest price, in the shortest amount of time. That is your goal. Paying a higher or lower commission isn't what matters, it is the final selling price that puts money in your pocket.
Good Luck.
Sharon Kozinn
I realize that you are in a small market and I do not expect you to understand what is happening in different areas of the country. Live it up, have Gary and Tiger come by and have a coke with you!
If you make to Hilton Head, I'll see you on the golf course.
Because some of us sat in a rental for the last 8 years waiting for a time when it made sense to buy a house.
A house to live in.
Many of us predicting a huge haircut are excited about prices dropping not you losing money. I could care less if you sold $2.5M in the last year. Pay taxes to bailout all the people you sold them to with. All I care about is putting a long term roof over my familys head for a reasonable price. Many doomers believe flipping is what caused the bubble, we aren't the ones trying flip them as prices go back up. We don't like those people, realtors do. They pay realtors comissions. Many try to share an opinion that counters the NAR because many buyers don't have a voice (except of course your lucky customers) if the buyers agent is in a conflict of interest. NAR is saying buy, buy, buy. We are just disagreeing.
Just note, Tman is located in "Sunset, South Carolina" These are places that are feeling the crunch of the bad market. Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia...
Not 40 Miles outside of NYC. The market has slowed, but not to the extent that some other parts of the country. and also, a good home priced correctly, will sell. period.
Tman's thoughts (although interesting ) has nothing to do with our area, if it did Foxtons would still be around!
I eventually listed a home for sale that the sellers were on the fence about and was vacant for 12 years before the owners decide to sell.
Celia, very good call, never assume anything.......
Hope this gives you some understanding .
With that said, do not let commission be the only deciding factor when selecting a realtor to represent your best interests. Interview several agents and have a game plan in place to interview each individual agent to fully maximize your time with them. Home-buying and selling is not only a big financial commitment, but also an emotional one. It’s critical that the agent you choose is both “skilled” and a “good fit” for your personality.
John Agnello
Realtor®
Long & Foster, Real Estate Inc.
(609) 320-6700 –Cell
(856) 856-2338 –Office
36 answers, and I don't think one person answered your question.
How about this: 5.1%
You said the word "standard", but I think you meant "average."
As put out by NAR, the average total is 5.1%
What I wish they would break down is the buy side and the sell side.
Also remember that is the "average."
If you can get an above average agent for a below average rate, then good for you.
One of my slogans is "I used to discount, but then I got good." My clients net more, and that is what matters.
I didn't understand what you wrote. Are you saying that you think a seller should pay a broker $$ up front? Or, are you saying that a broker should pay a seller $$ up front? Please clarify.
Tx
Deborah Madey - Broker
Peninsula Realty Group - New Jersey
And some wonder why the public has such a poor perception of real estate agents.
Tiger is building a course, (make sure you stand around and wave to him as he zooms by) which is great... Why? because it is cheap in comparison to up north. The weather is better yes, but other then the golf?
Your market is much lower then here, that is the point. My brother bought in Georgia ( north of Atlanta, great area) 4 bedroom colonial that was 2 years old.. on 1 acre of land... $199,000 that was during the height of the market 2 years ago. Same house here, 30 miles out of NY is 800k - I know it is hard for some like you to comprehend my note, try real hard.
It is a different market and if you have agents taking 3% in your area, you have obviously been hit harder then this area.
I do not really expect you to understand, from your response you seem like a idiot.
All Commissions are negotiable in NJ however you want to make sure realtor is going to advertise your home properly and give the buyers agent a fair split so they will bring buyers to see your home. Please feel free to contact me if you have additional questions. In this market agents are working very hard to sell the homes therefore I would consider 5%-6% fair.
There are some that will walk in the door and will offer you 4% yes, but the key in interviewing a Realtor is to see what they are doing for you. Make sure the agent can produce that ad copy, magazines advsrtised in, direct mailing and website(s) information. this information should be brought to the interview and readily available. What does this have to do with commission? $ spent in marketing. Find out how often these ads run.
Take all into consideration when selecting a Realtor and the company behind the realtor.
Good luck with your home sale!
Interview, get net sheets, get marketing plans and hire the one best suited for the job!
Al commissions are negotiable. There is nothing that states that a company can set their commissions. It is up to the seller to decide if the value of their services or any agents services is of good value and that they will sell their home for the highest price for the right buyer.
Legally, every home must be shown no matter what commission is offered to the buyer's agent.
The real question to answer is the commission worth the value of the services.
