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Homebuyer79, Home Buyer in Phoenix, AZ

When purchasing a home, does the refrigerator and washer/dryer usually convey? And is the seller allowed to remove a mirror already mounted?

Asked by Homebuyer79, Phoenix, AZ Fri Jul 9, 2010

I am curious whether it's typical for the seller to convey their appliances or not. I know that furniture can be purchased through a separate bill of sale, but how often is a seller reluctant to convey the washer/dryer and refrigerator? Is this ever a deal breaker? Also, is a seller allowed to remove a mirror that is already mounted to the wall in the bathroom? I thought things like lighting, etc, are supposed to convey.

In the listing, the seller specified what they wanted to take with them. Except they forgot to list the appliances so I was under the impression that it conveyed. I assume this is an oversight on their agent's part.

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As others already note, it's really the contract that governs.

However--as a practical matter--practices vary depending on where you live. In some areas, it's standard for owners to remove appliances. In other areas--such as where I live--it's not standard.

As far as how often is a seller reluctant to convey those items--if the sellers are used to removing those items (maybe because that's the custom where they live) then there will be a degree of reluctance. The other reason I've often seen is that someone's bought a really upscale appliance--something absolutely top of the line--and they're reluctant to part with their "baby."

It's not often a deal breaker. As noted below, items that convey should be included in the contract. And it's sometimes one of the negotiating points. But, really, recognize that a nice, new washer, dryer, and refrigerator are probably worth, say, $3,000. And a perfect adequate washer, dryer, and refrigerator might cost $2,000. That's real money, of course, but when you're talking about a transaction of several hundred thousand dollars or more, those items are typically negotiated without a lot of hassle.

Joseph makes a very good point about recording the serial numbers of appliances. I've heard of instances where a home has very nice appliances but, on the day of the walk-through, adequate but lesser appliances have been substituted for the better ones. You want to make sure you get not just "a refrigerator" but "the refrigator" that you saw prior to making the offer.

Items that are permanent fixtures--an attached mirror, lighting, etc., do convey unless otherwise specified in the contract. (I've seen instances where someone has an expensive chandelier, or one that's been in the family for generations, and specifically notes that it does not convey.)

Best thing to do, if you've been caught in that situation, is to discuss it with your Realtor and review your contract.

Hope that helps.
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Don Tepper, Real Estate Pro in Fairfax, VA
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Kitchen appliances most of the time convey, however as a buyer you have the power of negotiations, you can always ask for all the appliances to convey.
0 votes Thank Flag Link Wed May 1, 2013
That should be clearly specified in the MLS listing detail. I would say generally appliances stay, but the three you've asked about are the ones that may not, so do check specifically on homes of interest. I would not expect a mounted mirror to be removed, again unless specifically mentioned as an exclusion, but I did run into this unhappy surprise once during a walk through.

Pr;oceed with eyes wide open - ask the questions to avoid surprises.

Best,
Jeanne Feenick
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0 votes Thank Flag Link Tue Apr 2, 2013
In south carolina do the washer and dryer usually convey?
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> The listing plano in our MLS will tell both you and your agent whether a frig, washer,dryer convey

Actually, the plano is a marketing piece and nothing more. If the refrigerator, washer/dryer are listed in the plano but not written into the contract they don't convey - they have to be asked for specifically.
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I would love to get a new fridge. Mine has stopped being cold. I think that I'm going to go to the store and just try to get a new working one. http://www.fridgerepairsperth.com.au/services
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The key to what is or is not included in a sale is what is printed on the prucase and sale and what was agreed to by the buyer and the seller by signing the purchase agreement. everything is negotiable before signing the purchase agreement. After an agreement is signed is not the time to start haggling over appliances.

In most hom sales appliances are conveyed with teh sale, for a seller there is more value in a home with appliances included than without, for the buyer it is the convenience of having them when they move in.

As far as mirrors, most contract state all fixtures which means anything attached unless specified in teh agreement that it will not remain or will be replaced.

i hope this helps
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0 votes Thank Flag Link Fri Jul 9, 2010
The listing plano in our MLS will tell both you and your agent whether a frig, washer,dryer convey. Generally on resale houses those items are elective and a seller decides before listing. A buyer can ask for the items in their offer.
Any item affixed or built-in stays and the contract has a specific list on page 1 of what stays unless otherwise stated in plano by seller & listing agreement.
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Bathroom mirrors can be tricky and one poster sort of eluded to the answer...If it was the mirror that the builder installed, then yes, it typically goes with the house. If the current owners remodeled and installed a free hanging installed mirror that can be removed easily then, they could take it. I think you have a reasonable expectation for having a mirror in the bath; so they would be exhibiting the most appropriate behavior by letting you know up front that it was not going to stay. If it looks fancy and not permanently attached, be sure to ask and if they say it stays, get it in writing !!
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For appraisal purposes - refrigerators, washers, and dryers are considered personal property of the owner, even if the are considered, or appear to be built in. Other "built in" appliances and perminantly attached fixtures are considered part of the property, with the exception of wall mounted tv screens. For FHA purposes, a working stove/range and working refrigerator are required to be present with the property for fha approval.

As others have stated, what personal property and fixtures convey and what doesn't should be stated in the contract agreement either by the seller or buyer.
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Homebuyer79,

The contract governs what exactly should be or not be conveyed. If you are working with an agent, and it sounds like you are, you should speak to him/her since it's unethical for an agent to interfere with any existing agency relationship you have, including in a public forum such as Trulia. Contact your agent about what was or was not to be conveyed in the transaction because your contract is not available to anyone but the parties involved.
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Whenever I write an offer for a client, I always list the serial numbers of the appliances in the contract. That way if something does not convey it requires the Seller to counter offer. It becomes part of the negotiation. You can then adjust your offer accordingly.

Many times in todays market the Seller will try to sell the appliances to get extra cash, especially with Short Sales. The question is what are "older" appliances worth? You may be better off paying less for the home and buying your own appliances. You do not want to be paying for a 5 year old washer for 30 years.
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Have you asked your agent about this as they would be the one that would have looked over the contract and gone over everything with you. Many sales do not include the refrigerator and washer and dryer. They can be asked for when submitting an offer, but since they are not attached, do not have to convey. A built-in refrigerator does stay with the home. Many sellers will agree to convey these items if the price of the offer is reasonable. A mirror that is attached to the wall in a bathroom should convey unless it was specified on the contract that it does not. This should have been done by the listing agent. Even though items are listed on the MLS, does not make it binding as the MLS sheet is not a contract. therefore you must specify on the contract the refrigerator, washer and dryer will stay.

Good luck with your purchase.
Lorrie Feld, ABR, GRI, CDPE
Keller Williams Integrity First
lfeld@azrealtygroup.com
480-570-1074
0 votes Thank Flag Link Fri Jul 9, 2010
Your agent can best answer your question as it relates to this specific property--every State has guidelines as to what constitutes a fixture. Does your contract state that the refrigerator, washer/dryer are included or excluded from the sale, etc. As for these issues being a dealbreaker--depends on the individual situation and how both parties wish to react.
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If you were provided a Seller's Disclosure it should state if the washer,dryer and refrigerator were to stay or be removed by the Seller. These are not required to stay. The dishwasher and stove are normally required by FHA to be in place.Same with the bathroom mirror.

Check with your agent to verify.
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