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Flansy, Home Buyer in 94044

More information on the Fairmont Subdivisions Improvement Association?

Asked by Flansy, 94044 Mon Aug 3, 2009

What kind of fees do they charge? Anyone know about their CC&Rs? Why do they have absolutely no web presence?

Both my friend and I bought in this area recently, and neither of us knew they even existed, until we got postcards in the mail directed to the old owners, and asking them to take better care of their yards.

I'm aware that I could contact them, but frankly, shouldn't we have been made aware of any HOA organizations and fees before we bought our houses? I did google and research the area before we bought, and nothing of this sort came up. It wasn't until I had their full name, was I able to search them, and about five pages in I found their blog from a couple of years back and that's it!

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jokidnurse’s answer
I was never told about the Nazi Homeowner’s Association when I bought my house. I have lived in the Fairmont Subdivision for over 28 years and they have continually harassed me through out the years.
When I first moved in they harassed me till I got a professional Gardner. I was so broke after losing my job in 2007 I went without food in order to pay the Gardner because I did not want to get harassed.
In the 80”s they sent me a bill for $300 for removing a piece of drift wood from my front yard. That piece of drift wood had a lot of sentimental value. My husband proposed to me while I was setting on that piece of drift wood. I kept that piece in my front yard so we knew how hard we struggled to get our first house and to keep our family together. I had to hire an attorney to get that piece of drift wood back.
In the 90’s they were harassing me about the paint chipping on the front exterior. We painted it several times. As you all well know paint in Pacifica wears out fast. The Homeowners Association harassed me till I got vinyl siding. They harassed me into cutting down my tree because of the pine needles. I will not even tell you about the issues when we moved our fence forward. Did you know you have to get permission from the Homeowners Association to do any upgrades on your house?
In 2000 – 2013 I feel that they have increased their harassment ten fold. I have been continually harassed about a small shed I have on the side of the house. I have limited ability to use my shoulders and my husband uses a walker, so the shed is easier for me to take my garbage out. The shed is mainly concealed by plants and it is never over packed. The homeowners Association have threatened me several times to remove it or they will and I will be responsible for the cost. They are insisting that I prune my plants back that are in front of the shed but I like them and I do not want to change the design. They do not like the moss growing on the red bricks in front of my house. I like the moss it looks old and rustic and I do not find it offensive and neither does my professional Gardner. I did pay someone to power wash the house and the garner pruned the plants. I thought they would be satisfied. Now they want me to paint my house which is going to cost $5,000. My husband is on disability and I have been on disability for two years and I am just getting back to working. The painting will be done in due time.
We have an older population that does not have the means or the physical ability to comply with some of their unreasonable demands. I feel the Homeowner Association is putting undue pressure and hardship on families during this economic down turn.
I work night shift and I sleep during the day. A woman from the Homeowner Association demanded my grandson wake me up so she could serve me papers. I feel this is the icing on the cake, so the homeowner Association is taking me to court and charging me a $500.00 fee for failing to comply with FSIA regulations. I never received a letter stating I had to go to a meeting and failure would result in a fine. I can honestly state I have never receive their bylaws in the 28 years I have lived in Fairmont. I would like to know who has received their bylaws. Has any one gotten notice when they make changes? What has change recently that they feel the need to take people to court? What are they going to do with all the money they are receiving from these fines? Write more letters to harass us. I know I have had my difference with the Homeowner Association but they have gone too far. We all know our home are an investment and I think we as homeowner can make judgment on what is needed. I would love to disband the Homeowner Association.
0 votes Thank Flag Link Sun Apr 7, 2013
That being said, I have never attended a board meeting. They are held every 2nd Tuesday, at 7:30, in the HOA office at 649 Parkview Circle. Unfortunately, I work Tuesday evenings. Through the years, I have called the office a number of times during business hours and have never reached a live person. Often, the voice-mailbox has been full. When it hasn't been full, I've left detailed but straightforward messages that have clearly stated a simple question. To date, I have only ever received one response. Someone from the office left a message for me, didn't answer my question, and asked me to call back during business hours. I am not an uncooperative person and would appreciate a kinder and more responsive and supportive HOA.
Flag Thu Oct 17, 2013
The Fairmont HOA is the most user-unfriendly organization I have dealt with. When I purchased my home, it was dilapidated and filthy. 20 days after taking possession of the house, I received a message from the HOA. You might think it was a lovely "Welcome To the Neighborhood, We're Here To Contribute To the Community and To Support You In Doing the Same" message. It wasn't. It was a postcard: dead grass, overgrown weeds, peeling paint, fix it now. I spent the first three months cleaning the interior filth so the house would be habitable ; I have made over $40,000 in repairs to the foundation and framing; replaced the roof; painted the exterior; made necessary structural improvements to the exterior, and have generally kept the inherited weed patch in good shape while planning the landscaping project. Yet I still get those lovely postcards. I appreciate the desire for keeping up the neighborhood, but I also appreciate neighborliness - of which this HOA knows nothing.
Flag Thu Oct 17, 2013
Hi Flansy,

Usually the name of the HOA is on your preliminary title report that you received from the title company and the CC&R's are usually available upon request for your review. Sometimes the association is so small, there is not a lot of information about them.
1 vote Thank Flag Link Mon Aug 3, 2009
Although this is a response to an old posting, I am posting a response as there is now a web site.


Excerpt from the website...
Fairmont Subdivisions Home Improvement Association
P.O. Box 1052, Pacifica, CA 94044
Office Hours: M-W-F: 9 am - 2 pm

The CC&Rs run with the land. As such, homeowners are bound to maintain their property as documented in the CC&Rs regardless if one fails to pay your yearly assessments.

Personally, I have been living in this subdivision for 43 years and I appreciate that the volunteers take the time to address homes/homeowners who are not taking care of their property.
0 votes Thank Flag Link Sun Jun 5, 2011
We just moved into the area too, we've never received any postcards from the association, even though the yard was a mess until we settled in and cleaned it up.

Reading all this, I'm concerned. I want to paint the house soon, since it's in bad shape, are there any color restrictions or requirements in notifying the assn? i also want to pace a few shrubs and hedges in the front yard, it just looks so empty right now. It'll also serve as a barrier to keep my toddler from running into the street.

I don't want to contact them in case they want to charge me a $500 fee for a house with peeling paint and then charge me again for filing out some sort of repainting request.

Suggestions? Thanks!
0 votes Thank Flag Link Tue Nov 24, 2009
Hi F.l. Dr.,

I'm really sorry to hear about your problems!

Have you spoken with anyone from the Association about your yard? The phone number should be on the letter you received, and maybe their office hours too? I forget where I actually came across their office hours, not that they actually keep to them....but you can always leave a message.

I called several times, before I was able to reach an actual person, who cut me off in the middle of my explanation to say, "let me guess, you bought a house, and your yard is a mess?" Answering affirmative to that query, I was told that they would let inspector for my area know that the house was recently purchased and I was working on the yard. I never heard from them again....

Now, it's a little bit frustrating to think that someone is going around keeping track of messy yards, but not what houses were foreclosures/for sale and thus have terrible yards. Even more frustrating that it seems they can't put two and two together. However, I think the case is, that things aren't exactly that organized in the Association.

I imagine that the inspectors are volunteers, and they can only do so much. That being said, if your yard meets the general "husbandry" that you would think they require, I would bet they just forgot to take you off the list. Annoying? Yes. Probable? Judging by my experience with them, yep again.

I would call them.

As for the neighbors yards? They probably got the letters too, and are doing what they can to fix it up. My friend and my next door neighbor both got the letters, and I imagine so did everyone else who is putting in a new lawn right now (of which I have seen several).

As for opting out, my friend and I both discussed that and we still aren't clear on what that section means. I would again contact them, and ask them to clarify. However, after I got over my initial surprise/anger/resentment of the Association, I realized that they're just trying to keep our neighborhood a better place. The letter was annoying, but it got me to put in a new lawn, and several of my neighbors have dropped by to tell me it looks great. That community feeling was totally worth it....

Speaking of community, if you contacted them, fixed up your yard, and they're still giving you a hard time, please let me know, because I'd like to be a good neighbor and help you out too!
0 votes Thank Flag Link Mon Sep 28, 2009
Hi Flansy, I am a home owner in the Fairmont Division and did not realize this until after I purchased my house as a foreclosure. I have received "several" post cards in the mail regarding lawn maintenance and weeding. I have also spent lots of money and time upkeeping my front yard over the past year. I just received a letter telling me I have to meet with the Subdivision Office to discuss my plans to upkeep my yard once again, except this time, they said they would charge me a $500. fee, plus $17. a day up to 30 days until my yard is in "compliance"? My yard is mowed, weeded and kept up?? So I have no idea why they are harrassing me so much at this time. I did look at Section XXII in the Declarations, and it does state Membership is association not required. Have you challenged them on this? I would definately like to Opt. out of the association if I am not required to be a member! I have also noticed many other yards in much worse shape than mine, plus homes with garbage and junk cluttered in and around the front of there homes...just curious if anyone else is getting harrassing letters like me??? Sincerely, F.L. Dr.
0 votes Thank Flag Link Mon Sep 28, 2009
Really I appreciate that you read the CCR's. I will go to that section and read it since I had always thought that it was mandatory. They are a fairly quiet association now. In the old days ( notice there are Palm trees in front of most Fairmont homes) if you did not keep your Palm tree or maintain it, the Association would replant one and send you a bill. Luckily they do not do that anymore. The last thing they did was protest a 5000 square foot house but that was many many years ago.
0 votes Thank Flag Link Mon Aug 3, 2009
Sue, you're right $19 really isn't anything, but it is more than is stated in the CC&Rs, and I thought I would ask, since you seemed to be a local expert. Also, if you get a chance or even felt like it, you could look at section XXII which is titled "Membership in association not required," and be aware of what I am referring to.

I just looked at 6 homes for sale in the Fairmont area, and none of them list the FSIA or their dues in the listing. It's not unusual that people dislike organizations that tell them what color they can paint their home, and it just seems that this should be the kind of thing disclosed upfront.

Honestly, it's not bothering me too much, but since it surprised both my friend, and myself, I would think this could happen to others, and hope this thread puts a bit more information out there (which wouldn't be hard considering how little there actually is).
0 votes Thank Flag Link Mon Aug 3, 2009
$19 per year is really nothing but I really do not think it is voluntary.
0 votes Thank Flag Link Mon Aug 3, 2009
Jeff: Thank you for that tip about my preliminary title report, I was able to pull out that PDF and there was a link in there for a site hosting the CC&Rs.

Sue: When was the last time you sold a house in that area, if I'm reading this correctly, $19 is more than they're allowed to charge. Also, it seems to read that membership is voluntary.
0 votes Thank Flag Link Mon Aug 3, 2009
Jeff is right that those documents should have been shown on the Preliminary Title Report. The agent who listed the house and the agent who sold you the house should have known about this. Last time I did a transaction in Fairmont the dues were $19 per year. They do watch for neighborhood tidiness, etc. They are very small and there should have been a transfer from the old owner to you at the time you closed escrow. There is the benefit of using a local REALTOR because we all know about the Fairmont Association and also local title companies are also aware.
0 votes Thank Flag Link Mon Aug 3, 2009
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