Fremontguy, Home Buyer in Fremont, CA

What is wrong with the Lakes and Birds neighborhood in Fremont? I have looked at many homes in Ardenwood and

Asked by Fremontguy, Fremont, CA Tue Jul 8, 2008

Warm Springs, and do not understand why the houses there are that much cheaper, except for the lower rated Warwick school. Is crime a problem there?

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There is nothing "wrong" with the Lakes and Birds area per se. It is not an issue of crime rate. Although there are a number of variations between the neighborhoods you mentioned, the primary issue is the differences in the API scores for the various elementary schools. They are as follows: Forest Park (957), Ardenwood (917), Leitch (926), Warm Springs (933) and Warwick (866). Many people prefer the higher scoring schools.

However, there is also a fundamental secondary reason as well – the style of homes. About 50% of the homes in the Lakes and Birds neighborhood are “patio style” homes – although they are classified as single family homes, they are “attached” by common walls on each side and the rear. In other words, there are no side yards unless you happen to be at the end of a row of houses or at the end of a street. The homes are joined by a fire barrier of concrete cinderblocks and, in most cases, there is no direct access to the rear yards except though the house. In some homes there are internal “patios” or “atriums” that provide light into the home and egress in case of a fire or similar emergency. It’s an older example of a westernized version of the “brownstones” you see in eastern cities. They are different from townhouses in that they do not have any HOA fees and are free of many of the types of restrictions you would see in a normal planned unit development (PUD).

Due to the fact that these homes have very small lots and are quite unusual compared to most of he homes in Fremont, their values typically are less than comparably sized homes elsewhere in the city. Although there are other neighborhoods in the Tri-cities that have “patio-styled” homes, they all have at least one side yard whereas the “patio-style” homes in the Lakes and Birds neighborhoods do not.…
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1 vote Thank Flag Link Tue Jul 8, 2008
An update: Warwick is now rated in the 900s.
Flag Thu Dec 11, 2014
True enough about the houses in one part (east of Sylvester Harvey Park), though the houses west of the park are all fully detached single-family dwellings. They are still lower in price/value than other areas of Fremont. I suspect this is in part due to people lumping both parts of the neighborhood in together. The fact that there's no overhead power, phone or any other lines is really, really nice. :)
Flag Sat Apr 5, 2014
Thanks Carl for this wonderful response.
Flag Mon Mar 25, 2013
Carl, Thanks for the great answer!
0 votes Thank Flag Link Wed Jul 9, 2008
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