At this moment, there are 2 police cars, and up to a dozen Black Suburbans at the Offices of this company. Employees have been sent away with their boxes, and Curt and Chris are apparently being questioned in their own conference room.
So... local Police, Dept. of Justice, and some from the Bar Association is what I've been told... big DOJ signs on some of those Suburbans.
I can't file a suit for you. But I can say that if out of all of you, you can't find a class action attorney, then the jokes about lawyers aren't true.
Should GCS really be allowed to effectively embezzle trust funds and then quietly move on to the next cash cow?
There are between 30-40 of you. Get an attorney, and I'll email the information to everyone who has contacted me.
Emails and complaints were forwarded to the CA DRE and CA Bar investigators. Now everyone has got to put pressure on the State Attorney General and Governor. The message has to be that this is no.
Just a comment on some of these recent posts...First, I don't believe that "Krista" is a broker, as she claims, if she is the person I think she is. If you are a broker, Krista, please provide us with your CA DRE license #. I think you are someone who is trying to make yourself out to be important...that's fine, but your posts around the internet haven't done a great deal to prevent good, hard working loss mitigation companies from doing their work. The bottom line is every day, we save people from foreclosure, reduce their debt, improve their credit, get them out from under a house they can't afford....whatever it takes. Its hard, tedious work, and while it has its rewards, no one is getting rich here. When we have a complaint, we deal with it, hopefully Roberta from Palm Springs can attest to that. But if she is still having problems with us, Roberta, you have my email. I will personally get to the bottom of your situation.
We work on hundreds of files each month, and they myriad of details and communications we go thru to help our clients is mind-boggling. Our affiliates and clients are welcome ANY TIME to come to our offices and review their files, talk to our staff and get a better understanding of their situation.
As to Joel's comments about the BBB, he is absolutely correct, The CA BBB gives an F rating to companies who perform debt settelment services. It is headed byt a gentleman who makes over $200,000 a year as its President, and runs a "credit counseling" business as well. I would suggest you read about several lawsuits and articles about the BBB...Here are a few:
Tom, the fact that the BBB says they never heard of us is strange, since we have been listed on their website for more than 18 months. 4 of the five reviews are 5 stars...the most recent one to be honest sounds fishy, since he described a situation that could not have taken place, the way we handle our calls.
All said, Tracy, you have probably long sinced either decided to work with us or not....I hope you are on the team, but if not, I hope you are helping your clients with another qualified firm.
To those so-called "watch-dogs" and consumer advocates, please, the banks and regulators are doing a pretty good job screwing up peoples lives all by them selves. They really don't need your help, but if you really want to help people stay in their homes, perhaps you could petition the CA legislature to not pass the HR 94 bill.
I urge you ALL to read this column.
Whether you agree that loan mod firms and attorney's should be allowed to charge upfront fees or not, no one can dispute the fact that the banks and lenders are the ones who control most of the marbles here.
I look forward to hearing from any of you.
In addition to loan modifications and debt management, Green Credit and Erickson were (and likely still are) also involved in investments. The magnitude of investments and disposition of those investments are unknown. But based on their track record of handling trust funds and not delivering on promises, there is cause for concern for all investors who invested money with Green Credit Capital and Erickson. I, myself, was able to download the prospectus and investment docs on 5 LLC investment offerings from an affiliated website that was not password protected. Each investment offering offered involved 15,000 Series A memberships at $1,000 each or a face value of $10,000,000. Each affiliated company utilized finders and paid finder's fees of 3%. The fact that I could access the prospectus and investment docs for each offering off their website without a password or having submitted an investor questionnaire is beyond questionable.
And if she is able to find an attorney who is willing to represent GCS victims in a class action lawsuit, more power to her. I know I would take the time to contact everyone I've been in communication with if an attorney was willing to get involved. The CA Bar has seized the assets, and all GCS victims should be filing a claim on the client security fund. They should also file claims with the CA DRE Real Estate Recovery fund- especially if they have successfully obtained a judgment. It should also be determined whether GCS or any of their officers had E & O or other insurance. It is my understanding that the Accredited lawsuit settlement (which Erickson was named as a prior director) was paid by insurance (but I have to double check).
This is by no means over and will not be over until the officer's professional licenses have been revoked and all financial resources have been drained. From what I can, there layers of affiliated businesses and the business model is simply being replicated under different websites and company names.
There is a substantial amount of research and data available, and the AG's office should be involved as this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Lord only knows what you mean by the statment that YOU may be the largest victim out there. And by requesting other peoples contact info, you may be attempting to continue the problem.
There is NO SUCH THING as a law firm that would be interested in a Class Action suit here, so you are lying right off the get-go. (Class Actions are only against companies that have a potential of assets for payouts, or insurable liabilities) You say someone has " a great amount of data on this..." well who doesn't! Give us a break. Your "heart goes out" is a stupid plea for leads to go get these mod victims back into the loop again, yes?
Your concept of filing a complaint with the Bar is BOGUS because the 'Bar' already has 'court-ordered' possession and control... and your concept of complaining to the REALTOR's Board shows your level of experience and intelligence (or lack of both) in the business.
Unfortunatly, methinks you are in the loan mod business.
"Please be advised that on Monday, December 21st, 2009 the State Bar of California pursuent to an order from the Orange County Superior Court assumed jurisdiction over the unlawful law practice of Green Credit Solutions also known as the Green Credit Law Center, Guardian Credit Services, Get My Credit Grade, PacWest Funding, Erickson Law Group, MagusGlobal. We have taken possession of all the client files and records from the office. If you believe we have your file, please leave your full name, along with your phone number, your cell phone number if you have one, your address, an email address if you have one and the type of method you would like us to use to return your file. If you would like us to send it by mail, please indicate or if you would like to pick it up in person... um, please leave the appropriate message. Uhh... please allow a little bit of time... to process these files, get 'em into our system and then we will get your file back to you as soon as possible. Thank you for your patience."
Merry Christmas. I wish everyone the best.
Krista, do you think we could write off what we paid for a modification on our loans on our taxes? Just a thought...
He kept on reading what they had on their records infront of his computer screen. And how they sent my info to my lender and that if I wanted help with my loan mod that they can stil help me.
I really don't need them to work on my modification. Since my lender kept on stating that they have no documents sent from that company from day 1, why would I trust them again to complete the job? If they did send my documents over, they have the wrong number/dept. It's funny how I can send my own documents to the correct dept and # and have my lender received all docs less than 48 hours.
If you get paid to work on loan mods, maybe they should spend time in locating the correct depts for specific loans and fax #'s also.
That money was never supposed to be accessed, and it appears they stole the money.
He stated that the company has no money to pay back/refund their customers.
But he did mention that they can help their customers with their loan modification again and they will do everything in their powers.
This is there office #: 949) 885-0300
Btw, he never mentioned his company name when he called me back. He said "Hi this is Chris from"....PAUSE...then he hesitated...i guess he is confused as to which company name he goes by currently.
I'm sure if you called often enough they would get the picture... I'm sure they would not run away from their obligations. After all, Chris has family to think of, and Curt... well... okay... forget that theory.
thanks for your helpful links which you provided below. It saved me a lot of time of researching . I'm a 1st time home buyer w/o any knowledge on who to contact or where to file a complaint regarding this sticky situation. I have filed with the DRE, BBB and CA AG. Hopefully the waiting process for a response back won't take too long. And I appreciate the support from the other victims/supporters. At least i know i'm not alone in this.
In this instance, these borrowers paid for modification services and did not receive them. What I am attempting to do is get them the help that they may need to try to help in balancing things out. If you helped 3 people, and I helped 3 people, and so on, it would not be too much work for any one person. Plus, GCS customers would get some relief.
Maybe it would be better if people would post questions about getting a loan mod, questions on the HAMP program and trial period, forbearance, short sale, etc.
I'd also like to know if everyone (in CA) contacted the DRE, CA Bar, and CA AG or if anyone has filed a claim against recovery funds.
I did find an Aces Credit Soluitions LLC that is not in good standing with the State of Illinois. The address on the web registration matches the LLC. Nonetheless, when I go to a website, I expect to be able to verify the identity and licensing of the business in the state the business is located. I shouldn't have to turn into Nancy Drew just to do a simple background check.
I don't see where the company is compliant in each state they are advertising in. I would not do business with the company.
The point is that I asked for volunteers- not merchants.
Illinois is a nightmare to get licensed in and perform modifications. What are your qualifications for doing loan mods and how long have you been doing them?? Krista will rip you apart if you are not on the up and up. Sweet BBB rating as well.
Please contact the California State Bar and the California Attorney General’s office to file a complaint. This is in addition to the California Department of Real Estate.
Recovery of losses may be possible through the CA Bar’s Client Security Fund. Here is a link to the website page that gives information on the Client Security Fund that includes a link to file a complaint:
The California Department of Real Estate also has a recovery fund. It may be possible to obtain reimbursement from the Real Estate Recovery Fund from GCS customers who have obtained a judgment against GCS from this fund. Here is a link to information on the CA DRE Real Estate Recovery Fund:
And the webpage that includes applications or other required forms:
The California Department of Real Estate has reached the statutory limits of their authority and cannot assist in obtaining refunds. However, its important to file a complaint against the company.
You can also file a complaint with the California Attorney General’s Office here:
Please be sure and locate your contract and evidence of payment. Its important to know whether you contract is with Green Credit, one of their attorneys, or both. Please also have any documentation regarding your communications with Green Credit or their affiliates available.
If you have found an attorney that is willing to take on a Class Action suit, please post the information.
I have been very busy on a project and my family got hit with the flu, but I am forwarding the contact information for the people that have emailed me to the investigator for the CA Bar. Please feel free to continue to email me. The number of GCS customers that have been effected are too numerous for me to personally assist with refunds because it now borders on practicing law, which I am unable to do.
Many of GCS customers still need help, and I encourage those that need help to contact a HUD approved housing counselor. Or post there issue here. Another great source of free help is http://www.loansafe.org/
Check out the Loansafe.org forum and please consider joining. There is also a free e-book that can be downloaded on loan modifications.
If you have a specific question on your modification, you may send your question to email@example.com. I will not handle your modification request, but I can provide information that may help with the modification process. Other professionals should post a contact email to provide support for GCS victims as a form of community service. Please only provide your contact information if you are willing to provide free assistance.
I did report them to the BBB. The rep there told me that they have "MANY" complaints on GCS and the company will not get back to me in the end or answer the complaint. The rep also advised me to take them to court on my own. Ok, but with what money? This is soooo frustrating!
This isn't the first time that the CA DRE has put out a desist and refrain out on GCS. They had one earlier during a time that I signed up with GCS but had no idea. I signed up with them back in January and lost $3495. I've been in this dark tunnel for a long time hoping that some type of Class Action will come of this. Have you reported to the BBB and the CA DRE? I suggest you do so that there is some type of record. I also reported to the CA Attorney General.
Is there going to be a light at the end of the tunnel.....?
If you did not receive my email, please email me at firstname.lastname@example.org with the subject Green Credit. I will check my emails in the evening.
I have not sent the letter yet because it borders on the practice of law, and I need to consult with an attorney to make sure I don't oversteps my bounds.
Hang in there.
Not only they took 3495.00 for a loan modification ,but they also enrolled me in a debt settlement program with Erickson Law group which I just now realized they are all connected.
I don't know how I will get my money back for my loan modification, since it was all done through my agent. But she said she will take care of it. We'll see about that.
But for my debt settlement program it is automatic monthly payment from my checking. I will put a stop payment today and report them with the bank as a fraud so that at least the bank will open an investigation and hopefully I can get those 2 first payments they took for enrollmet for the debt settlement program.
Very dissapointed. I can't believe I became a victim.
Geo, if there is help out there do not give up yet. At the very least we should continue with the complaints against all the various companies that Fox and Melone are hiding behind and different names that they have themselves.
I personally am willing to take the beating and chalk it up to litstening to the wrong person and paying up front fees, but it is not fair to leave the battleground with our tails between our legs.
Now Green Credit websites require a user name and password, and the cache of their old website is gone.
I'm just sayin'
P.S. Other filings in Orange County under Christopher Fox. Trying to confirm the middle name.
I'm not an attorney, and this is only my opinion, but this sounds like it would fall under the California Unfair Business Practices Act. The CA Attorney General should have already filed suit. I'm not an injured party, and it is my understanding that Whistleblowers cannot file suit under the Act. But again, not an attorney, and would greatly appreciate if attorneys would chime in.
It is my understanding that funds collected by borrowers were supposed to have been held in trust, and those funds were not supposed to be accessible to the company until services were performed. Because of the civil and tort liability (and possible criminal liability), I do not believe that bankruptcy would discharge the liability. However, it does require protection to ensure rights.
I'm compiling a list of homeowners and have drafted a letter requesting both refunds and trust accounting for several borrowers who have been ripped off. However, I really need an attorney to donate some time and step up to be involved. As a Real Estate licensee, I have to be careful that I don't step beyond the realm of broker to the unlawful practice of law. All of the borrowers I spoke to need attorneys. This is class action material. Again, not an attorney, but it would seem that if the contracts were in themselves illegal, and there was fraud in the inducement, the contracts should be void. But since I'm not an attorney, I can't make that assessment.
If you look at the CA Secretary of State filings, you see that GCS (and affiliated companies) changed their business address to the new company address. They changed their licenses. Guardian involves Christopher Fox. They are still doing modifications under Guardian and have not closed down.
It would be criminal in my mind and offensive beyond my senses for GCS to fund their new company by bankrupting the DEPOSITS (which is what they truly were) of their old company.
There is also the issue of investors in Green Credit Capital, and if they are included in the bankruptcy. I'll be watching this very closely.
Again, need a legal professional ASAP!!!!
I spoke with Christopher Fox the CEO of Green Credit Solutions (GCS). He indicated to me today that Green Credit Solutions has filed bankruptcy as of October 16, 2009. I requested a total refund of $3400 for services not rendered. Chris indicated that there was no money and I will not receive a refund! He also indicated that they have laid off 90% of their employees. He said that GCS will send me my financial package so I could continue with the negations with my mortgage company on my own!!!
This is the conclusion of my blog on this site now that we (clients of GCS) will not achieve our objective which is a loan modification of our sub prime mortgages. If there are any attorneys that can offer guidance without fees paid up front, your assistance would be appreciated.
In conclusion, Caveat emptor "Let the buyer beware".
I have filed a complain with the Calif. AG. Does anyone have any suggestions of where to go now. I have also officially requested a refund from them. I am not interested in letting this go...
Green Res and GCS Marketing changed their license address with the California Department of Real Estate to the new Foothill address. Pacwest Funding also changed their address with the Department of Corporations for their CFL license.
The Secretary of State shows that CCS Marketing, Green Credit Solutions, Green Res, and Green Credit Financial all the same Foothill Ranch, CA mailing addresses and all companies are still listed as active.
Same companies, same players. Companies are alive and well and living in Foothill Ranch, CA.