Trying to refinance but underwater

Daniel Fink
Both Buyer and Seller
Delray Beach, FL

Is there anyway to refinance while being underwater or close to break even? i live in coral trace and believe my place is worth maybe 215-230k, i owe 224 and bougth in Jan 08 for 239. Want to refinance and get rid of PMI but seems impossible without dropping 60k into the mortagage to get it 80% to value, but I don't have that kind of money. Any suggestions? Thinking I may just have to save for 3 years or so, wait till I get a little equity built up, then drop a big payment to put ourselves at 80%.... I'm hoping I might be eligible for a modification from our lender, does anyone know the criteria to get this done? we're current on our payments, have a combined base income of 83k (although I made close to 45k in commissions last yr, not sure if that would count), my monthly mortgage is 2200. Hoping for at least an interest rate reduction, anyone know the criteria to qualify (my lender is wells fargo)

Answers (6)
Ron Beebe
Mortgage Broker
or Lender

19382

Hi Daniel-
I work directly for Wells Fargo and can originate in Florida. Please contact me through my website if you want to speak directly with a Wells Fargo empployee that knows the HARP (Fannie or Freddie refinance programs) from bolts to nuts.
Thank You, http://www.ronbeebe.com

Thu Oct 15 2009, 10:17
Mark Doring
Agent
Boca Raton, FL

You could very well be eligible for a refinance under the Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac DU Refinance Plus Program which allows borrowers to refinance up to 105% of the appraised value of the home (no cash outs). Fannie Mae's program is a lot more lenient when it comes to rolling closing costs into the loan and there are some other rules differentiating the two programs but you must have either a Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac loan to qualify Currently, the rates are around 5.75-5.875% under this program. However, based on the very limited information you provided, I would not guess that your loan is either with Fannie or Freddie.

If your loan is currently an FHA loan, then you could be eligible for an FHA streamline refinance. This refinance also does not require a re-appraisal and there are no hits at the credit score you are providing. Rates for this loan are also around 5.75-5.875%. You will have to keep your PMI but your monthly savings could be in the $200-$225/month range.

I am a local mortgage broker in living in Boca Raton with my office based in Fort Lauderdale. I would love to discuss what options may be available to you. Please contact me at 561-929-0428 or at markdoringpa@gmail.com

Sun Jun 14 2009, 09:53
Daniel Fink
Both Buyer and Seller
Delray Beach, FL

thanks for the adivice, to be more specific I have a 7.25 interest rate (really want to get this down), my wife and I are both on the mortgage and have pretty good credit - i think we're 670 and 680 respectively

I'd like to try to refinance, but whats frustrating is just to have a shot at it, I have to pay $400 or so for an appraisal which is pretty risky as I don't think the guy will even take a look around my house to see what we've put into the interior (ie 25k for granite, backsplace in kitche) - he's just gonna see that the place next door sold for 225, and since mine is a 2 bed and next door is a 3, this means he'll probably put me 200 or so which is 25k less than i owe...

Thu Jan 15 2009, 14:29
Tony Grech
Mortgage Broker
or Lender

48170

Hey Daniel,
You didnt say what rate you were at now, but I'll add my two cents anyway.

You can't finance more than the home is worth. Best bet is FHA, which like Luke said allows a high LTV. FHA however charges a 1.75% up-front fee (called MIP) on refinances AND monthly PMI would be mandatory so this may wipe out any savings generated by a rate decrease.

You should definitely start with talking to Wells to see if FHA is an option and if it will save you money. If not, then at least ask them about a loan modification. The kicker there is that normally they will only modify your loan if you demonstrate hardship and the inability to make your payments at the current rate. If you're just cheesed that you're hearing about all these great rates and you'd simply like to take advantage then you're probably out of luck.

The moves that the government is making to try to force interest rates down is aimed at A) helping people having difficulty making payments avoid foreclosure and B) enabling renters to become buyers, thus taking some of the excess home inventory off the market. While this doesn't help lower payments for you or I, who pay our bills on time, the intent is to stem the foreclosure problem and the benefit to us is that we hopefully won't continue to lose equity in our homes.

Best of luck,
Tony

Thu Jan 15 2009, 09:15
Luke Allison
Mortgage Broker
or Lender

Asheville, NC

Daniel-
I will assume that your credit is good but even with a good credit score, probably the best route to go would be an FHA loan. Rates should be between 5.00-5.25% an the mortgage insurance is really inexpensive - $100/month on $224k.
Your payment with P&I and MI would be $1,337 and you can add the taxes and ins to that.
You can go up to 97.75% of your home's value so you may need to bring something to the close, but nothing like if you were trying to avoid MI altogether.

If you have any questions, feel free to call me
Luke Allison
Flagstar Bank
828-777-8828
Luke.Allison@flagstar.com

Apply Online: flagstarloans.com/lallison

Thu Jan 15 2009, 08:53
Scott Miller
Agent
Boca Raton, FL
FIRST ANSWER

Hi Daniel,

There really is no way to refinance your mortgage if your 'upside down' or 'underwater' as you wrote. The best alternative is to try to modify your loan with your current lender. You would not be able to switch banks or mortgage companies while you have little-to-no equity in your home.

I think a good place to start is with Wells Fargo. If you need an attorney or someone to help with a 'workout', I can recommend several professionals to you.

GOOD LUCK,

Scott Miller, Realtor®
Estate Specialist
Commercial RE
Business Broker
Realty Associates
561-716-4060 direct
561-451-9377 fax http://www.LoveBoca.com

FREE property management solutions at: http://www.trexglobal.com/partner/scott_miller

Thu Jan 15 2009, 08:52

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