Partial knob & tube wiring and FHA mortgage???

Hope4colling...
Home Buyer
91706

We are planning to purchase an adorable 1921 bungalow in a nice town (offer accepted, through the attorney review period, now onto home inspection). The house is great with new windows, siding, and updated wiring - except for the overhead lights (ceiling). The ceilings are still knob & tube wiring. We heard this MAY be a problem when FHA inspects the property. We heard worst case they can even deny the mortgage on this property all together... Anyone with experience on an FHA loan?

Answers (8)
Best answer: Kim Noonan
First to answer: Kim Noonan
Laura Giannotta
Agent
New Jersey

Check this link which contains a list of things that must be inspected for FHA mortgage loans...you can click on the links and find what the appraiser will look for.

http://www.hud.gov/offices/hsg/sfh/ref/chap1.cfm

Good luck!

Laura Giannotta
Keller Williams Realty - Atlantic Shore
609-384-6121

Sat Oct 24 2009, 03:08
911 Home Inspec...
Home Inspector
Grayslake, IL

As an FHA Fee Inspector I can offer a little insight. The FHA inspection you are referring to is the apprasial. The apprasial is to determine the value of your home and to ensure it meets FHA criteria. The FHA is insuring your loan and has to sell your home if you default to cover thier loss. If your home has K&T wiring that is in poor condition and the appraiser catches it, they will likely require correction or updating. Depending on your lender and underwriter this can be done one of two ways. Either the current owner makes the corrections or money is held in escrow to ensure the repairs are made after you take possession. Once the repairs are made an FHA Fee Inspector can sign off on it, at your expense, and the escrow funds are released. There is still a possibility that they may not insure your mortgage which means you may have to pick another house, lender or type of loan. Talk with your current lender to find out what your options are.

Insurance is a completely different issue. Contact several carriers to find out what your options are.

Fri Oct 23 2009, 18:40
Hope4colling...
Home Buyer
91706

Thanks so much everyone for your answers. Is there somewhere online where we can actually view the FHA standards or codes for their mortgage? Our inspection with FHA is scheduled for Thursday!!! Wish us luck!!! THANKS!

Fri Oct 23 2009, 14:13
Larry Sarlo
Agent
Turnersville, NJ

Jim good point. Insurance co will not insure the home with active Knob and tube. Any wind of that and you will have to go surplus lines only, and that is very expensive.

And you must disclose it to the company at time of application. Do not mislead the insurance co that you have updated wiring and not disclose the knob and tube portion. I know it sounds easy and tempting but very dangerous legally.

Maybe if you get an electrician to certify the electric it may help but that is no guarantee either.
Best to negotiate the replace / repair of the electric.
good luck!

Fri Oct 23 2009, 06:11
James Miner Esq.
Real Estate Pro
Westfield, NJ

There is more to the Knob & Tube wiring issue than FHA requirements. In my experience it is very difficult, if not impossible, to obtain hazard insurance on a home that has active K&T wiring. Some companies will write the policy, but only if you agree to replace the K&T within a month or two of closing.

Fri Oct 23 2009, 05:40
Laura Giannotta
Agent
New Jersey

I've had VA loans approved with this type of wiring, and I'll say it was in pretty bad shape. As Larry said, it really depends on the inspector.

Laura Giannotta

Fri Oct 23 2009, 05:16
Larry Sarlo
Agent
Turnersville, NJ

Most depends on the inspector but knob and tube is not a problem unless the insulation is breached just as Kim said.

Just confirming her statement for your information.

I also have to disagree with updated wiring if there is still knob and tube... Have you past your inspection time and does your contract allow for repairs and how much...
You could use this as leverage to get the wiring corrected...


Larry Sarlo
Weichert Realtors
609-868-1171
Larry@njhomesandmore.com

Thu Oct 22 2009, 22:51
Kim Noonan
Broker
Will County, IL
BEST ANSWER

I've had knob and tube (AKA post and spool) wiring kill FHA loans in the past - if the insulation over the wires has been breached, it can be regarded as bare wiring, which I understand to be an FHA no-no. It also has to be at least 60 amps.

Will the seller change the wiring out so that there are no potential issues?
Perhaps find an electrician that will do the work and accept payment at closing?

Thu Oct 22 2009, 22:26

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