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Strepitus, Home Owner in Valatie, NY

How safe are 80/20 buildings?

Asked by Strepitus, Valatie, NY Sun Apr 10, 2011

College grad. daughter is looking for apt. in NYC. Many are 80/20. I am concerned about security. While lobbies look O.K. the elevators and some hallways show signs of abuse. Is there a site that catalogs criminal activity in Manhattan apartments? Should she just resign herself to living outside of Manhattan? She and her roommate are willing to pay $4000-$5000 a month but finding a building in good repair, and without potential security issues is proving problematic.

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Jenet Levy’s answer
I am a lifelong NYC resident, and we are talking 5 decades here. NYC has never been safer. If have seen neighborhoods only come up, not deteriorate, in the last 10-15 years. I don't know what neighborhoods you are referring to, but you can check crime stats with local precincts. There are many great neighborhoods for your daughter and her roommate to explore, enjoy, and live safely and happily in. Other boroughs are options, but you have longer commutes, and random acts can happen anywhere - in any neighborhood, any borough, in any city or state.
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Manhattan is the safest big city in America. As a life long resident I am out in the city at all hours and in all neighborhoods and have never been bothered.

Having said this, anything can happen to anyone at any time, anywhere in the world. You can be in the safest town in the world, step off a curb and get hit by a Bus! If you want to know crime stats, check the local police. If you are in Manhattan, check neighborhoods of interest at various times of the day and night. Get a "feel' for the 'hood and see if it's to your liking.

Young people are fearless and look forward to being away from parents to some degree, as they learn to be more self sufficient. Don't worry, just be in touch. Good luck.
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The answers below are all correct about criminal statistics and safety in the city and various neighborhoods. However your question specifically asks about 80/20 buildings which are located in various neighborhoods.

Your question asks about criminal activity in Manhattan apartment buildings "elevator and hallways show abuse" Your question links scratches in elevators and hallways to criminal activity. I've never heard that before.

Movers and furniture deliveries etc.scratch elevators moving furniture in an out of buildings particularly rental buildings because of transiency. Some of the finest most exclusive prewar and postwar coops have scratched elevators and hall ways. In my luxury coop building's elevator the imported Brazilian cherry wood is terribly scratched. It is called wear and tear.

The real question you should be asking is can your college grad daughter and her roommate qualify to rent a $5000/month apartment in Manhattan. Most buildings require 40x rent in documented income. They will need a minimum combined income of $200,000/year. Some buildings allow a parent as a guarantor the parent would need an income of at least 80x rent ($400,000) and possibly several months rent up front or a large security deposit
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Mitchell Hall, Real Estate Pro in New York, NY
Dear Strepitus
I have been a broker in the city for 5yrs and work primarily with luxury residential rentals in Manhattan,Just to put your mind at ease ,based on your daughters budget.She would most likely be looking into the luxury residential buildings for apartments which we have had quite a few new constructed buildings that have opened up in the last couple of years plus in addition of buildings tthat have alot major renovations in and outside the properties.After 9/11 happened here in,NYC is one of safest cities to live in.To alleviate your concerns I would be glad to assist you and your family with viewing some of these buildings.If you would like to discuss more in depth,please dont hesitate to call me.

Bill Stewart
Senior Vice President
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Hi, there is always Westchester 0county which is a short train ride to the city. The buildings will always vary but in Westchester you can find some amazing apts for much less! Some are even new construction. You can send me a direct message if you are interested in receiving some options via email

Christopher Pagli
Licensed Associate Broker
Accredited Buyer Representative
William Raveis Legends Realty Group
914 406 9023
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Just like anything in life, you get what you pay for in terms of the quality of building you purchase or rent in. Trust your instincts and cruise the neighborhood at night when you think your would be coming home alone and see what sort of activity is abound.

At $4000-5000 for a 2 bedroom share, they should have no problem finding a decent building that will offer them a better quality of life.…

Jennifer Chiongbian
SVP/ Associate Broker
Rutenberg Realty
212-688-1000 x 189
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Barry Salottolo
Owner Broker
All Points Realty LLC
Manhattan Connecticut and Westchester
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Best to visit the area and building. Eat, stroll and then go to a web site that tracks crime in the neighborhood. As with any building in any city, crime is a fact of life and can be found anywhere.
Barry Salottolo
Owner Broker
All Points Realty LLC
Manhattan Connecticut and Westchester
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