I recently found this post on the internet asking if flipping short sales is a good opportunity. After reading this it made me analyze the big picture here.
If I can buy fully negotiated short sales directly from the agent/broker that represents the lender at 80% of BPO, is this a good flip opportunity?
I have someone that can provide me properties consistently for 80% of BPO before they hit the MLS. I plan to wholesale it for 85% of BPO and list with the same agent that provided me with the deal so he can double end and make a nice commission. Is this realistic in this market? I want to turn properties quick and keep my velocity consistent. The markets I plan to buy are LA and OC counties under 350K (segment with the most buying activity) in decent neighborhoods with desirable schools and then sell within a month's time frame. Has anyone seen the market drop quickly (within 30 days) where it would affect my safety margin. I've been seeing most short sales going for close to BPO or slightly lower. Auction buyers typically are buying at 85-90 cents on the dollar, so my acquisition would be less minus holding and misc fees for funding.
Flippers: What do you think of my wholesaling strategy for short sales... viable for this SoCal market?
Forsaking sounding “Pollyannaish” here, but isn’t this type of business transaction for the sheer benefit of the investor and only the investor bordering on fraud? Granted that the big banks are devilish to deal with in negotiating short sales. I do it every day. I have very little respect or sympathy for the devil no matter how badly it claims to be wounded. I have a lot to say about that subject but don’t have enough hard disk space on my desktop to discuss it in detail.
However, I am a California real estate broker who oversees a well respected real estate brokerage and prides myself on always playing it straight and never placing my needs before my client’s. That goes for the agents in my office as well. I may be one of the last remaining white hats out there but at least I can bank on having kept my word and integrity as the foundation and cornerstone to continue to build on. In a cyclical industry we must protect whatever we have left in order to survive the tough times. And that does not include riding on the coat tails of another or at the cost of another’s misfortune.
I’m an advocate for risk taking as long as all parties are aware of and accept the terms of the deal. Having the ability to procure properties for 80% of the BPO before it hits the MLS smells bad to me. This individual offers properties to investors for less than market pricing for the reward of “earning” two commissions. Smelly, smelly, smelly.
With new government directives released on April 4, 2010 and Fannie and Freddie’s versions on June 1, 2010 known as HAFA there are a number of guidelines that include verbiage to prevent short sale flipping. One that prominently comes to mind is that Buyers cannot sell the property again for 90 days. This is meant to prevent investors from “flipping” homes by purchasing at a low price and selling at a quickly inflated price.
Some blogs denounce short sale flipping while others encourage and celebrate it. Which is it? My hands are clean and I think I’ll stay clear of playing in the mud but I do feel that this type of business dealing is becoming an epidemic that needs to be addressed. Can I hear your thoughts on this to help me understand if this game is made up of fair players where no one gets hurt?
Diane Wheatley, Broker
sales@moveupproperties.com
Courtesy of Danielle Graychik, Realtor with Move Up
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We all know Wachovia’s reputation for taking the initiative to streamline the Short Sale process. Working with a Wachovia short sale is almost like the days where standard sales dominated the market.
I took a listing
last week on a Friday. I listed it
on the MLS Saturday and had offers within a couple of days. The buyers accepted an offer
on Wednesday and I submitted it to Wachovia first thing Thursday
morning. This listing had a pending
Trustee sale date scheduled for 10 am
the following Wednesday (June 2nd) following a 3 day weekend to
boot.
By Tuesday (June
1st), the day after memorial weekend, not only did I receive the
confirmed postponement to the trustee sale, I also had full written approval on
the offer I submitted with no variations on value, closing costs, commission or
concessions. My client is elated as they
will receive a $5,000 incentive to relocate if we close escrow within 45 days.
On a personal
note, I have to really thank the negotiator assigned to this file. I would be happy to give her name out but I’m
afraid she might get inundated with phone calls that she may not need in order
to work her files as effectively as she did for me.
Thank you Wachovia for providing me with such a rewarding breath of fresh air. Now if the others would follow suit and learn that the agent is NOT the enemy and that our efforts can be used as an essential tool to orchestrate the short sale process to a win-win solution for all, the world would be a happier place.
I certainly do not mean to offend my fellow Real Estate Professionals, but sometimes I can’t help but wonder. Recently at a continuing education class, I met a colleague who is new to the business and is now trying to acquire some investment property with her husband. After a brief conversation we had with other licensees in the class, she pulled me aside to ask some questions. She told me about some concerns she had regarding her current transaction.
It turns out that she had being trying to purchase property with the help of her broker. She sent out several viable offers that would surely be considered acceptable by a short sale lender. However, not one of her offers was accepted by the listing agent. Someone in her circle suggested that she use the listing agent to represent her to submit an offer. This would force her to pass on the commission she would earn by allowing the listing agent to double theirs.
She agreed and decided to submit a low offer through the representation of the listing agent to see what would happen. Sure enough her first offer was accepted and submitted to the lender for approval. The first offer! Coincidence or intentional? Please don’t tell me maybe this was the best offer out there because I simply won’t buy it.
In my opinion this was a simple case of double ending a commission. This brings me to my question. Where is the professionalism? Where is our oath to the Realtor’s code of ethics? Where is the fiduciary duty we owe to our sellers to act in their best interest and present all available offers?
The scary part is that it appears to be a pretty common practice in today’s real estate environment. I’ve felt the effects of this business practice being used in the REO market as well.
Don’t get me wrong, I understand the market can be brutal for some and I know we are coming out of a pretty tough year, but the rules haven’t changed just because the market may be fierce.
You may be saying “well, no harm no foul, the seller has anything to gain anyway. He or she will not be gaining any financial benefit from this transaction other than salvaging one’s credit to begin home ownership once again sooner rather than later.” I say wrong, the seller may have a lot to gain by selling the property for the highest possible value.
We need to make something very clear here, not all short sale sellers will qualify for the debt forgiveness act. Chances are that the seller will receive a 1099 at the beginning of next year stating that they may have incurred tax liability on the difference between the closing price of their home and the amount they owed to the lender. That is the precise reason the listing short sale addendum here in California indicates to the seller to consult a legal or tax professional to know what the tax consequences may be.
Real Estate Professionals are obligated to inform you of this possibility. If not, then they have no right to be selling real estate in the first place. Secondly, once the sellers are given notice by the IRS or their State Tax Board that they have potentially incurred a tax liability they were never told about, it will be too late.
If this story rings true for any real estate professionals out there then you should be ashamed of yourself and understand that you are lucky you only lost a client this time, next time you could end up on court and possibly lose a lot more than just a client’s trust.
Most Real Estate Professionals out there are knowledgeable, responsible and accountable individuals who serve the public in the manner in which they are obligated. But unfortunately it only takes a few bad apples to tarnish the integrity of those of us who consider ourselves the serious professionals we set out to be.
Let me hear your opinions.

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Just a quick question based on a buyer's view of the upcoming changes in the California State Tax Credit vs. the current Federal Tax Credit.
My buyers opted to cancel their newly created escrow due to their belief that the California State Tax Credit would be a better choice for them. After months of looking at homes we found a charming home in the exact area they were hoping for. Shortly after we opened escrow they called to cancel due to the California State Tax Credit on the books to begin May 1st, a day after the federal tax credit will expire for them if they are not already in contract.
I disagree with them in their interpretation of how the State tax credit will benefit them more than the Fed Tax Credit. And, if they don't purchase something very soon the funds available to them for the State tax credit may not be available to them either which causes a lose-lose.
Anyone dealing with this scenario? I sent them to a tax accountant but that still did not seem to get through to them. Your thoughts are appreciated. Thank you!
I wanted to follow up on my recent post regarding Promissory Notes required in order to facilitate short sale approvals.
I took a short sale listing in February 2009 on a condo with one purchase money loan at a 97% LTV. The condo was purchased for $325,000 in 2007. I have a transaction going with the lender, buyer and seller for $189,000 with $5,000 allowance to the buyer, FHA.
In June 2009 I received a conditional approval from Aurora Home Loans. The terms of the original offer were acceptable to Aurora but not to Guaranty Mortgage Insurance Co. They made a request for a $25,000 promissory note to be signed by the seller in order to proceed. She would not sign the note and the buyer walked. Back to square one.
In August 2009 I submitted another offer to Aurora Home Loans along with updated financials, bank records, proof that my client had lost her job and an appropriate hardship letter.
This is nearly the end of March 2010 and I’m days away from closing this transaction (I hope). On February 19, 2010 I finally received an approval letter from Aurora Home Loans after an exhaustive 6 month wait. The buyer hung in there the entire time.
The bulk of the timeframe was waiting on the MI company’s stamp of approval with no promissory note required. I suppose my client’s hardship was more severe after a longer period of time had elapsed depleting ALL of her remaining resources. She is now officially insolvent.
Now here is the kicker. And I want to kick myself too. The super patient buyer decides to switch lenders midway through our 30 day escrow period. After all this waiting and constant follow up calls with Aurora to speed up the process, I could not believe that I would need to ask for a two week extension!
One week prior to our closing date I notified Aurora that we would need until the end of March to close this escrow. I was granted an extension to the end of the month by Aurora VERBALLY with the written approval of the extension to be fax’d within 48 hours of my request made on March 14th. This written form of approval is imperative as a prior to fund condition.
It is now March 26th and guess what? No written extension has been delivered yet. I have called Aurora every single day, twice a day since the 14th explaining the crucial need for this follow up letter so that we can close by the end of March. I’m promised every day that I will receive it within 48 hours.
Well today I found out that the formal approval must come from the MI company and it is relatively out of Aurora’s hands. I’m technically in breach of the agreement and losing hope that we will have a chance to close by month’s end anyway without this letter.
Just when you think it’s almost over, it ain’t over. This short sale will be my career short sale transaction. Wish me luck, lots of it.
